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Old 12-21-2013, 04:15 PM
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Hi All,

Mil guy (new to APC) trying to plan a separation timeline. I am still AD, but looking at applying to DL, UA, etc. As the hiring continues, how does it look for timing in the pool before starting training? Specifically, how long can you hold off starting training from the time you get the job? I realize you want to get started in a class ASAP (seniority is everything!), but is there any leeway at all? Someone I work with mentioned the other day it depended on the airline. If they offer you a class date, can you say you want to defer to say 2-3 months later?

I am complete with my UPT commitment, but on the hook for GI bill which will mean a PC, so that will take time to get approved, but I figured I would start submitting some apps in the meantime....
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Old 12-21-2013, 05:29 PM
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Here at UAL you can defer class for up to 12 months. That said, it's been 3-4 months for a class from the time the job is offered.
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Old 12-22-2013, 04:14 AM
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Thanks grumble, that is a great post I have read before and has been bookmarked. It provides a great framework. I guess the title of my OP could have been a little more specific...since I was looking for the max time you can defer training after getting hired. Sounds like UA is 12 months per hilltoppers post above, I'm curious if others like DL, AA, etc. have a defined time period as well...thanks!
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Old 12-22-2013, 12:58 PM
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All-- need some training/CFR advice and interpretation help---

My background is fixed wing UPT, then helos for career--

-T-37/T-38 student time total = 200 (Comm Multi Inst w/centerline thrust rating
-Total helo time (UH-1 and H-60 =3,000—CFII helo/rotorcraft
and ASEL CFI rating

Total multiengine time fixed and rotary is over 1500 including student time

My question is--- can I legally pursue an ATP airplane or would it have to be a restricted… I can read the CFRs many different ways but wondering what some more experienced people may interpret…


Here is the one reference I found----
http://www.faa.gov/pilots/training/a...ir_Carrier.pdf
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Originally Posted by 565pilot View Post
All-- need some training/CFR advice and interpretation help---

My background is fixed wing UPT, then helos for career--

-T-37/T-38 student time total = 200 (Comm Multi Inst w/centerline thrust rating
-Total helo time (UH-1 and H-60 =3,000—CFII helo/rotorcraft
and ASEL CFI rating

Total multiengine time fixed and rotary is over 1500 including student time

My question is--- can I legally pursue an ATP airplane or would it have to be a restricted… I can read the CFRs many different ways but wondering what some more experienced people may interpret…


Here is the one reference I found----
http://www.faa.gov/pilots/training/a...ir_Carrier.pdf
Fixed wing ATP requirements, per FAR 61.159. I bolded the portions that probably apply to you. So long as your aeronautical experience meets the minimums prescribed, then yes you can get a fixed wing ATP. If not, you'll need to meet them before you can apply. I'd do it fast too, before the new minimums go into effect. The handout you posted is for applicants currently engaged in 121, 135, 91K operations.

61.159 Aeronautical experience: Airplane category rating.

(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b), (c), and (d) of this section, a person who is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category and class rating must have at least 1,500 hours of total time as a pilot that includes at least:
(1) 500 hours of cross-country flight time.
(2) 100 hours of night flight time.
(3) 50 hours of flight time in the class of aircraft for which the rating is sought. A maximum of 25 hours of training in a full flight simulator representing a multiengine airplane may be credited toward the flight time requirement of this paragraph if the training was accomplished as part of an approved training course in parts 121, 135, 141, or 142 of this chapter. A flight training device or aviation training device may not be used to satisfy this requirement.
(4) 75 hours of instrument flight time, in actual or simulated instrument conditions, subject to the following:
(i) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(4)(ii) of this section, an applicant may not receive credit for more than a total of 25 hours of simulated instrument time in a flight simulator or flight training device.
(ii) A maximum of 50 hours of training in a flight simulator or flight training device may be credited toward the instrument flight time requirements of paragraph (a)(4) of this section if the training was accomplished in a course conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.
(iii) Training in a flight simulator or flight training device must be accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training device, representing an airplane.
(5) 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof, which includes at least—
(i) 100 hours of cross-country flight time; and
(ii) 25 hours of night flight time.
(6) Not more than 100 hours of the total aeronautical experience requirements of paragraph (a) of this section may be obtained in a full flight simulator or flight training device that represents an airplane, provided the aeronautical experience was accomplished as part of an approved training course in parts 121, 135, 141, or 142 of this chapter.
(b) A person who has performed at least 20 night takeoffs and landings to a full stop may substitute each additional night takeoff and landing to a full stop for 1 hour of night flight time to satisfy the requirements of paragraph (a)(2) of this section; however, not more than 25 hours of night flight time may be credited in this manner.
(c) A commercial pilot may credit the following second-in-command flight time or flight-engineer flight time toward the 1,500 hours of total time as a pilot required by paragraph (a) of this section:
(1) Second-in-command time, provided the time is acquired in an airplane—
(i) Required to have more than one pilot flight crewmember by the airplane's flight manual, type certificate, or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted;
(ii) Engaged in operations under subpart K of part 91, part 121, or part 135 of this chapter for which a second in command is required; or
(iii) That is required by the operating rules of this chapter to have more than one pilot flight crewmember.
(2) Flight-engineer time, provided the time—
(i) Is acquired in an airplane required to have a flight engineer by the airplane's flight manual or type certificate;
(ii) Is acquired while engaged in operations under part 121 of this chapter for which a flight engineer is required;
(iii) Is acquired while the person is participating in a pilot training program approved under part 121 of this chapter; and
(iv) Does not exceed more than 1 hour for each 3 hours of flight engineer flight time for a total credited time of no more than 500 hours.
(3) Flight-engineer time, provided the flight time—
(i) Is acquired as a U.S. Armed Forces' flight engineer crewmember in an airplane that requires a flight engineer crewmember by the flight manual;
(ii) Is acquired while the person is participating in a flight engineer crewmember training program for the U.S. Armed Forces; and
(iii) Does not exceed 1 hour for each 3 hours of flight engineer flight time for a total credited time of no more than 500 hours.
(d) An applicant is issued an airline transport pilot certificate with the limitation, “Holder does not meet the pilot in command aeronautical experience requirements of ICAO,” as prescribed under Article 39 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation, if the applicant does not meet the ICAO requirements contained in Annex 1 “Personnel Licensing” to the Convention on International Civil Aviation, but otherwise meets the aeronautical experience requirements of this section.
(e) An applicant is entitled to an airline transport pilot certificate without the ICAO limitation specified under paragraph (d) of this section when the applicant presents satisfactory evidence of having met the ICAO requirements under paragraph (d) of this section and otherwise meets the aeronautical experience requirements of this section.
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Old 12-23-2013, 07:39 AM
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thanks.... now it makes sense.... thinking at this point a restricted ATP maybe one way or find 250 hrs of multi time...
Are restricted ATPs even worth having... part of my idea is-- to get it now prior to the minimums going up and other requirements..
thoughts?
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BTW, JB seems to have a **preference** for guys with rotary time. Recommend going to a Vets in Blue and selling your wares.
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Old 12-23-2013, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16 View Post
BTW, JB seems to have a **preference** for guys with rotary time. Recommend going to a Vets in Blue and selling your wares.
Apparently my jr. high language was too much; however, the edit changed the meaning of the post.

My intent was to show JB likes rotary time, not that they love/hate it as t38phlyer typed.
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