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Old 06-23-2015, 06:20 PM   #1  
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My current 135 operator has memory items written in a new FSM. Those memory items are not backed up by the AFM or the manufacturer provided QRH.

I have never had memory items that were not required to be backed up by a printed checklist in my years of flying 121 or 135.

This seems like a) an unusual situation, b) a potential unsafe situation as there is no redundancy, c) a potential legal issue as I'm being trained in a way that does not match the approved flight manuals and checklists.

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This question seems like it also fits under safety.
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This is only my opinion and I am no expert, but your training manual must be approved by your POI if you are 135, so the liability is with him.
And if the memory items are written somewhere, it sounds like the backup is there, is the material in the cockpit?
I don't know of any requirement of having them in an hand held type of checklist, if that it's what you mean. You should question the POI about all this, if you feel that safety it's compromised.
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As long as said memory items do not conflict with the AFM/QRH there's no reason you can't use them. At that point they're just flows, which I'd follow up with the QRH.

As was mentioned, the POI should have signed off on it which would remove any grey area on your part (even if it did conflict with the QRH).

If you're worried about not backing it up with a checklist, then make your own...nothing says a pilot can't refer to his own notes.
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per faa order 8900.1, part 135 checklists are faa accepted (not faa approved) by the poi.
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Also please read 14 CFR 135.83 very carefully. The checklist must meet these requirements.
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Also please read 14 CFR 135.83 very carefully. The checklist must meet these requirements.
"135.83(b) Each cockpit checklist required
by paragraph (a)(1) of this section must
contain the following procedures:"

This applies to the REQUIRED checklist provided by the company. It would not apply to or preclude a pilot from having his own "cliff's notes", although he would obviously need to ensure the accuracy and currency of any such notes.
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