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https://www.businessinsider.com/airb...ations-2021-11

I believe ALPA (and all other pilot unions) will be as successful keeping two pilots in the cockpit as they were at keeping three pilots in the cockpit. I believe when the unions determine they can make just as much money off us with less pilots as they make now, that opposition to one pilot cockpits will melt away.

Today, there is not one contractual rule written that limits how long "virtual pilots" (remote guys sitting a something similar to a SIM) can be left there doing take-off after take-off and landing and landing without a lunch break. That way, you see, there are "two pilots" in the cockpits for take-off and landing while you get to sit there and "monitor" between "after take-off checklist" and "approach checklist"

BTW, if you want to get a remote pilots license from the FAA now, it will never get cheaper. Today you can take an online LMS, fill in a form 10 and they will send you one. Before long, the 141 schools wil start demanding "their cut"!

Just my opinion, what do you guys think?

edv2021

I could see single pilot, or even fully autonomous, ops in the smaller 135 cargo world in the somewhat near future. But with how long the FAA takes to certify things, in addition to some very well placed friends that ALPA has in Congress, I think we’re still 20-30+ years away from major changes at the mainline 121 level.

It’s funny when people talk about single pilot cargo ops… some cargo ops still use three pilots, and we had two pilot planes 60 years ago! Cargo attracts a lot of focus for single pilot ops, but they seem to be the ones who care the least about operating cost and the most about the cost of new planes.

ItsJustUsLeft

So, this is the exponential technological curve we live in! Technology is and will continue making our lives easier. We have to find a way to adjust. My thoughts on the first step to this problem, before everyone calls me out a communist, is to shorten the common work week from 40 hours down to half. 20 hours a week is now full time job work week. We all have to share what is left on making an "income". As this exponential technological growth continues our lives will become rich in family matters, the union in family will return, and we will no longer have a "profession" to chose. We will learn and know how to do a number of things which satisfies basic needs. Schools will teach how to build shelter, how to filter water for drinking, how to make clothes, how to grow food, and how to reproduce. Seems backwards but we will have more freedom than ever experienced in a world which any monetary system is unable to support. The fall of money is just at it's beginning. Once our basic needs are met this is when you are able to go outside and ride your bike, join NASA, learn to fly the old fashion way,,,ect. This is the era we live and it's just us left to struggle with the changes or except the changes coming.

theUpsideDown

First pilotless DC10 took off in 1970. The company convinced a lot of mechanics they could simply repo a tail to another airport using the AFS and after theyd done it, the FAA lost their mind. Since that fateful day, and i may be mis remembering the airplane, think pieces have been authored for half a century following that the manned cockpits days were numbered.

*Spooky noises* leave now, get s trucker or conductor job, its all going away. *More spooky noises*

jetlaggy

We still have alotta of 4 pilot flights…you would think they would start there.

ItsJustUsLeft

BEYOND FLYING
So, this is the exponential technological curve we live in! Technology is and will continue making our lives easier. We have to find a way to adjust. My thoughts on the first step to this problem, before everyone calls me out a communist, is to shorten the common work week from 40 hours down to half. 20 hours a week is now full time job work week. We all have to share what is left on making an "income". As this exponential technological growth continues our lives will become rich in family matters, the union in family will return, and we will no longer have a "profession" to chose. We will learn and know how to do a number of things which satisfies basic needs. Schools will teach how to build shelter, how to filter water for drinking, how to make clothes, how to grow food, and how to reproduce. Seems backwards but we will have more freedom than ever experienced in a world which any monetary system is unable to support. We learn how to fly just for fun. Everything else is learned just for fun. The fall of money is just at it's beginning. This is the era we live and it's just us left to struggle with the changes or except the changes coming.

Iceberg

Or, “I’m sorry you don’t have a job or money, but the products produced by the technology that took your job still have to be paid for.”

theUpsideDown

More of the zero sum thinking. We all have to share thinking. Now someday we may find the end of the wealth and we may have to make strange new choices where everyone has to share the same nickle. I do not think it will be this day, or tomorrow.

So far, the adam smith theory of wealth and the growth of wealth continues to be right. It is uncountable- the numbers of times people have declared an economy dead or dying. There will be more and different jobs, jobs weve never heard of or imagined, and people will learn to work those jobs. Information age has given way to a space age, like an age of the first industrial revolution gave way to the Technological revolution. Basically think of a world moving at 5-9 knots suddlenly moving at 12-20knots. Rope beaters turned to steel smelters. Square rigged moving to full rigged moving to steam ships.

ItsJustUsLeft

Pilots turning to Astronauts? OK, I understand what you are saying. Do you see it becoming a traffic jam down to 3-4 lanes? Example, there will be less "professions" to chose. 1. programmer 2. material recycling 3. transportation (whoops already being conquered in this thread). 4. ???Astronaut travelers??? I mean... the whole restaurant industry could have been nearly shut down with technical robotics of the 1980's. However, I am only familiar with 2 complete automated restaurants which exist in Japan today. Could they have been completely automated in the 80's? Maybe not! I think of the oil field with no hate or in favor of but when something smashes into it to take it's place, regardless if you believe it can happen right now, just imagine the so called "j-o-bs" lost. It's the only thing keeping on this treadmill way of thinking of "but it creates jobs".

Ha, sorry my apologies. I think of this way too often hence my stage name. Let's talk about flying in this era?

Flogger

Just as there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no luddites among the employed.