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Old 01-19-2022, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by chihuahua View Post
I'm sure everyone that moved down here probably wanted to move here since the west coast of Florida is quite a nice place to live. Not to mention getting away from all the covid non-sense that was still gripping the rest of the country when the airline started. The worst part really seems to be that all of those guys are probably senior by now, but they got themselves a 3 year equipment lock where they can't bid over to the 220 when their seniority would probably be able to hold it before the three years is up. What's the total number of E-Jets they're looking to operate along with the A220s? I wonder what the qualifications will look like when the A220 gets established and they start trying to hire FOs into it.
Yep it’s rich that the most senior will have to commute while the most junior pilots at the company will get TPA.

I think they wanted 30 190’s in total over the next 2 years? Then obviously 1-1.5 220’s per month
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Old 01-19-2022, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by hotmicoffNOW View Post
Yep it’s rich that the most senior will have to commute while the most junior pilots at the company will get TPA.

I think they wanted 30 190’s in total over the next 2 years? Then obviously 1-1.5 220’s per month
That seat lock was always gonna be a problem, smh. Having junior guys making more money, better qol in some cases, and now the base option while senior folks are stuck on the sidelines. All in the name of training costs... i wonder what the over/under is on that in relation to attrition related training costs.
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Old 01-19-2022, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger View Post
That seat lock was always gonna be a problem, smh. Having junior guys making more money, better qol in some cases, and now the base option while senior folks are stuck on the sidelines. All in the name of training costs... i wonder what the over/under is on that in relation to attrition related training costs.
I would bet that due to the A220 being new the company is requiring more time and experience on larger aircraft for the initial group of pilots who fly this plane. Anyone know the time requirements for Australian pilots? I wouldn't be surprised if they require lots of command time on a larger jet and 7500 hours or more experience. I dont think they will be hiring 1,500 hour Australian pilots.

Yes, more junior pilots will be going to Tampa to fly the A220 but the ones hired on the E-190 will get the opportunity to bid it later. There is a reason for the 3 year seat lock.

It is the nature of a startup. Obviously there are good and bad things that come along with it. It is not for everyone, for sure, but to the ones who take the risk there may be a light at the end of the tunnel.

Just my .02 cents
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Old 01-19-2022, 09:43 AM
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How many Air Missions do you guys typically do in a day?
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Old 01-19-2022, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Junglejuice View Post
I would bet that due to the A220 being new the company is requiring more time and experience on larger aircraft for the initial group of pilots who fly this plane. Anyone know the time requirements for Australian pilots? I wouldn't be surprised if they require lots of command time on a larger jet and 7500 hours or more experience. I dont think they will be hiring 1,500 hour Australian pilots.

Yes, more junior pilots will be going to Tampa to fly the A220 but the ones hired on the E-190 will get the opportunity to bid it later. There is a reason for the 3 year seat lock.

It is the nature of a startup. Obviously there are good and bad things that come along with it. It is not for everyone, for sure, but to the ones who take the risk there may be a light at the end of the tunnel.

Just my .02 cents

If times were different I think a lot more ppl would be willing to take the risk. I just read the US is expected to be 12000 pilots short next year. How is breeze going to compete?? They sold ppl on seniority, seniority will be good anywhere you go with retirements and growth. Then they said come to breeze to be home every night, just move to one of our bases. Now they’ve proven no base is safe on the 190. It is clear that the main focus is the 220, 190 pilots will always take the backseat. They pulled out the carrot of a potential west coast 190 base, when the time comes and it doesn’t happen, they’ll pull out the next carrot which is you’ll be able to transition to the 220 soon and it goes on and on and on.
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Old 01-19-2022, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Swapapotamoose View Post
If times were different I think a lot more ppl would be willing to take the risk. I just read the US is expected to be 12000 pilots short next year. How is breeze going to compete?? They sold ppl on seniority, seniority will be good anywhere you go with retirements and growth. Then they said come to breeze to be home every night, just move to one of our bases. Now they’ve proven no base is safe on the 190. It is clear that the main focus is the 220, 190 pilots will always take the backseat. They pulled out the carrot of a potential west coast 190 base, when the time comes and it doesn’t happen, they’ll pull out the next carrot which is you’ll be able to transition to the 220 soon and it goes on and on and on.
careful. Not West Coast. Western Region.
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Old 01-19-2022, 09:58 AM
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How is the timeline for training? Also are CRJ guys getting CJO's? Last but not least how long to hold ORF??
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Old 01-19-2022, 10:06 AM
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Who is mainly applying to Breeze these days? The 1500 hour time builders/CFI crowd, experienced regional FOs, regional check airmen like many from CPZ did? In this hiring boom what is the draw to Breeze unless low timers looking to fly a 190 or 220 over a CRJ?
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Old 01-19-2022, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Rroku View Post
Who is mainly applying to Breeze these days? The 1500 hour time builders/CFI crowd, experienced regional FOs, regional check airmen like many from CPZ did? In this hiring boom what is the draw to Breeze unless low timers looking to fly a 190 or 220 over a CRJ?
A lot of ppl did for the TPA base but who knows now. Their numbers weren’t great to begin with. “Hey come here to make less money and commute to day trips in ORF, until we close it”. Great selling pitch.
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Old 01-19-2022, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Swapapotamoose View Post
If times were different I think a lot more ppl would be willing to take the risk. I just read the US is expected to be 12000 pilots short next year. How is breeze going to compete?? They sold ppl on seniority, seniority will be good anywhere you go with retirements and growth. Then they said come to breeze to be home every night, just move to one of our bases. Now they’ve proven no base is safe on the 190. It is clear that the main focus is the 220, 190 pilots will always take the backseat. They pulled out the carrot of a potential west coast 190 base, when the time comes and it doesn’t happen, they’ll pull out the next carrot which is you’ll be able to transition to the 220 soon and it goes on and on and on.
I agree it sucks!!! The great thing is that anyone who wants to leave has lots of options right now. A good time to be a pilot!!
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