because they are using 50 seat RJ wages to fly 110-150 seat aircraft to compete against pilots with established contracts with good work rules and compensation

 

Yup.............filler

 

Delta alone will need thousands of pilots in the next 10 years. If Breeze wants to KEEP its pilots it will need to increase compensation. Delta loves to pick off experienced pilots from competitors like JB, Spirit and Frontier - I know several who have made the jump. Bottom line: nobody should expect a startup to start offering industry leading (or even maybe industry average) wages. Don’t expect it!

Long term wages will need to be competitive to stem attrition to all of the legacies...

 

Everyone should expect a startup flying mainline aircraft to pay BETTER than RJ wages. Shame on you for trying to make excuses like this should be acceptable. There is a difference between offering even "industry average" wages and paying less than some RJ operators pay.

 

You don’t know for a fact WHAT they are going to pay or WHAT the terms are going to be. Hell, UPS pays $48 an hour to start - IN 747s. They pay LESS than some regional FOs get. Hell, less than MOST regional FOs get when you consider bonuses. Are you griping about UPS?

You have no ideas what stock options or profit sharing or other inducements they are going to be offering, and you know what? If the package isn’t competitive people can and will go elsewhere. Nobody is going to force anyone to work for Breeze and if they don’t offer a competitive package no one will.

If people care to take a risk on a startup knowing - like the initial JetBlue pilots did - that if the operation succeeded they would be paid off handsomely and if it all went Tango Uniform they were pretty much wasting their time, what business is it of yours to tell them different. A couple years ago Frontier had a cr@ppy contract and so did Spirit, but those contracts got improved. Somebody going to work for one of them two or three years ago was taking a risk, but that was their choice.

Legacy or nothing just gives the legacies greater power under the RLA. You seriously think AA will ever be released to strike in your lifetime? I sure doubt it. But releasing Breeze pilots to strike...? Meh, the NMB wouldn’t really care.

More employers give pilots MORE leverage, not less. If you don’t think the recently inked contracts at NK and F9 haven’t given the guys flying at SWA and the legacies more leverage with their management you are wrong.

 

How long did it take to hear back once you submitted the app online? And is there any firm(ish) word on pilot basing? I heard PVD in the past and hoping that’s still on the table for a base.

 

An Azul E-195 just arrived and is sitting at the ramp in MCO today maybe it’s one of the first planes to be converted. We see Azul over here but only the 330s.

 

APC says Suncountry is $116 in a 737, and Miami Air is $96. I think there is another company called Swift that flys 737s but I can't find a rate.

 

Swift does fly 737 but I have no idea on pay rates

 

swift is now iAero Airways. On apc it shows captain $117 and first officer $66 year one