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Old 08-18-2020, 05:52 PM
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Given the delayed start up of breeze, they could just apply for a new certificate. These things take 6-12 months, usually, if things go smoothly. (A big IF). Mostly writing manuals from scratch and submitting them for review.

On one hand, with airlines tanking, one could imagine a fire being lit under the FAA to get a fast track for a new airline certificate. On the other hand, maybe it’s just too COVID dangerous for “non essential “ FAA employees to do other than the bare minimum.

Beats me. The last thing struggling legacy carriers need is another ultra LCC jumping in with a smart CEO.
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Old 08-19-2020, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by N914FJ View Post
Heard the Compass deal fell through. Anyone able to confirm?
confirmed.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/start-...s-2021-launch/
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Old 08-19-2020, 06:37 AM
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I understand why it isn't on CNN or in the NYT but how does a travel blog get the scoop on this? Is this not business news?
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Old 08-19-2020, 09:46 AM
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Rumor breeze is interested in buying xjt 121 certificate
You actually think United will let that happen??
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Old 08-19-2020, 03:07 PM
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You actually think United will let that happen??
why not?

what else would they do with it other than turning it into cash?

its not like that breeze couldn’t get their own certificate spun up.
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Old 08-19-2020, 03:09 PM
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They are working on getting a brand new fresh factory warrantied certificate from the FAA now. They aren’t buying XJT certificate or anyone else’s. They will start their ops out of ISP later this year as they had initially planned to do prior to the Compass certificate coming into play
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Old 08-19-2020, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TFAYD View Post
why not?

what else would they do with it other than turning it into cash?

its not like that breeze couldn’t get their own certificate spun up.
they won’t buy the XJT cert. the compass deal fell through after ALPA filed a complaint saying that CP’s labor contracts were required to be honored. Why would breeze fight that argument again?
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Old 08-19-2020, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by N914FJ View Post
They are working on getting a brand new fresh factory warrantied certificate from the FAA now. They aren’t buying XJT certificate or anyone else’s. They will start their ops out of ISP later this year as they had initially planned to do prior to the Compass certificate coming into play
I think they said late 2021 now....With luck that will turn into late 2022 and then may e they will just go away...Can always hope
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Old 08-20-2020, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff View Post
they won’t buy the XJT cert. the compass deal fell through after ALPA filed a complaint saying that CP’s labor contracts were required to be honored. Why would breeze fight that argument again?
There was a bit more to the story and ALPA was not the major player. The issue was Sun Country filing a objection that had actual teeth. The ALPA objection would have been brushed aside easily. The funding issue not so much.

The Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) labor union and Sun Country Airlines objected to Breeze’s plan to acquire the certificate. ALPA argued that if the transfer was approved, its existing labor contract with Compass needed to be honored. Sun Country argued that Breeze did not meet the regulator’s funding level requirements.
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Old 08-20-2020, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
There was a bit more to the story and ALPA was not the major player. The issue was Sun Country filing a objection that had actual teeth. The ALPA objection would have been brushed aside easily. The funding issue not so much.

The Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) labor union and Sun Country Airlines objected to Breeze’s plan to acquire the certificate. ALPA argued that if the transfer was approved, its existing labor contract with Compass needed to be honored. Sun Country argued that Breeze did not meet the regulator’s funding level requirements.
Wow Neeleman and his new project must be a real threat! Sun Country really dodged a bullet on this one, nice job Sunny! So lame
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