Part 121 washout.
11-20-2019, 04:23 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Hang on...were you briefed on how to do one?
As stated earlier you can’t be tested on what’s not trained so I’m thinking we’ve got a mountain of misunderstanding here.
What did your sim partner think of it?
If it was considered a “briefing only” item then technically you’ve been trained.
But I don’t know how the training syllabus was set up.
I’m thinking there’s something you’re overlooking.
Again, what do you consider a visual approach and how was it set up?
Straight in 10 mile final starting at 3000’?
As stated earlier you can’t be tested on what’s not trained so I’m thinking we’ve got a mountain of misunderstanding here.
What did your sim partner think of it?
If it was considered a “briefing only” item then technically you’ve been trained.
But I don’t know how the training syllabus was set up.
I’m thinking there’s something you’re overlooking.
Again, what do you consider a visual approach and how was it set up?
Straight in 10 mile final starting at 3000’?
My sim partner had previous jet time so he didn’t mind that.
Also it was a charted visual
11-20-2019, 04:45 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by Captelmo
My sim partner had previous jet time so he didn’t mind that.
Also it was a charted visual
Also it was a charted visual
We’re sitting here taking time out of our day to answer you and help you and we have to piecemeal this together.
Now you’re giving us another piece of info that would have been useful.
This is getting annoying.
If it’s anything like this one:
http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/oswg/kjfk%20rnav%20visual%20rwy%2013l.pdf
You either build it in the box or you fly it as you would fly a VOR approach with step downs.
Go-around once - ok
Go-around twice - problem as you now need to start looking at fuel and either requesting another runway or divert to alternate.
Lots of tunnel vision going on in the sim, I suffer from it myself greatly.
Never, EVER forget that in the sim you’re being evaluated on what you would do in REAL life.
11-20-2019, 06:04 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by Captelmo
I’m early 20’s. 1500 hours, also failed my checkride because of a visual approach, never practiced visuals in the sim before. First time doing a visual in a jet was on my checkride
It’s a real failing in the US system where somehow magically 1500 hours makes you an airline pilot. I’m not a huge fan of the Euro MPL idea, but before jumping in a jet, there must be structured training AND line experience.
Instead of immediately jumping at Mesa, find cargo op like AMF or decent jet charter operation, build some jet experience.
GF
11-21-2019, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DanMarino
How would this help when the issue is not executing a visual approach to touchdown?
For a PC, which is task-oriented, you could just keep trying since the fuel load is usually frozen anyway.
11-21-2019, 08:38 AM
#49
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Originally Posted by DanMarino
How would this help when the issue is not executing a visual approach to touchdown?
Recognizing your limitations and not beating a dead horse till you run out of gas?
If I can’t land on this runway for whatever the reason I’ll request another runway or go to an alternate.
Doesn’t matter if Chuck Yeager 3 miles in trail does make it in.
Point is that you need to maintain your situational awareness.
Again, act and respond as you would in real life.
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