121 pic or UlCC
#11
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Get the 1000 hrs TPIC. Then look at the horizon - with 1000 hrs TPIC you might already be in the top 10% of candidates. What's the next biggest resumer fluff you can get? Part 121 CKA would be GREAT. That's not on the horizon? I'd chase a LCC and get more experience on a larger jet and a new type rating. That job can also be a 'destination job.' Keep you foot on the gas until you get to your final 'destination' job. I'd recommend pressing on to a Big 3 job for the option of doing w/b flying. Most try and those that can hold it with decent seniority often stay on it for years. Some guys do it for their entire career. It has i'ts downside (less seniority and sleep cycle issues) but the most common advice is "it's a different airline." It's LIGHT YEARS different than doing domestic n/b flying. Reread the comment about guys who NEVER do domestic n/b flying. Or the guys who take the Captain upgrade but say they're going w/b Captain as soon as they can. Former FO, who didn't care for 767 w/b flying, is chomping at the bit to give the 787 a shot. At worst he'll have two years on it and he can bid back. If he decides he likes it he's on the best fleet doing the best flying in the industry.
You're 27? So at least 2,000 hrs at a minimum. At least one type rating. At worst you'll be 30 w/3,000-4,000 hrs and 500-1000 hrs TPIC. That's a top 10% candidate on paper. They want to meet you to see if the candidate they see on paper is the individual that walks in the door.
If you got hired by AA at 28, based on today's data, you'd retire as #143. Hired on your 29th birthday? #256. Hired at 30? #385. 31? 515. Delta and United might have similar projections. Is one of the Big 3 within driving distance? That's your career goal.
Good luck.
You're 27? So at least 2,000 hrs at a minimum. At least one type rating. At worst you'll be 30 w/3,000-4,000 hrs and 500-1000 hrs TPIC. That's a top 10% candidate on paper. They want to meet you to see if the candidate they see on paper is the individual that walks in the door.
If you got hired by AA at 28, based on today's data, you'd retire as #143. Hired on your 29th birthday? #256. Hired at 30? #385. 31? 515. Delta and United might have similar projections. Is one of the Big 3 within driving distance? That's your career goal.
Good luck.
#12
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This isn't sleeping in coach. Some crew rest areas are better than others, and some people truly can't adjust, but saying that without truly knowing is selling yourself short IMO - especially at such a young age.
That's what I said before I actually started doing super-efficient WB flying. The ability to credit 30 hours with 2 legs in 3 or 4 days (half of which is in the bunk) makes domestic a much different animal. 8 days of work and the month is pretty much taken care of. I do it simply for the efficiency - would rather domestic/carribean layovers, but it can't be beat as a part-time job😉
That's what I said before I actually started doing super-efficient WB flying. The ability to credit 30 hours with 2 legs in 3 or 4 days (half of which is in the bunk) makes domestic a much different animal. 8 days of work and the month is pretty much taken care of. I do it simply for the efficiency - would rather domestic/carribean layovers, but it can't be beat as a part-time job😉
#13
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
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Currently, having recently upgraded at a major west coast regional with a convenient base location, my goal is to join one of the big 6 airlines, ideally Alaska or Southwest. Although I previously interviewed at Southwest and was turned down, I reapplied during the recent window, but they won't be hiring for a few months. Now, I'm debating whether to stay, accruing turbine PIC hours, or jump to F9 to avoid the metering. The downside of joining F9 would involve potential commuting and all-day trips, impacting my quality of life. While F9 has bases out west, uncertainties about future developments make it a consideration. On the positive side, joining F9 would mean leaving the regional for a major with accompanying benefits. However, the trade-off is dealing with commuting instead of waiting it out to gain valuable time as a captain, anticipating a call from one of the big 6. Despite my current reasonable quality of life, bidding for reserve grants most desired days off and some weekends. Would it be short sighted to not try at a ulcc just to gain turbine pic if that requirement does ever come back? I am fortunate to have 38 years left in this carrier as it stands now so time is not too much of a concer but I don't want to waste it.
5-10 yrs ago it was different, but TPIC isnt nearly as important as it used to be. I'm at a legacy now having left a regional for an ULCC very close to upgrading, and 11 months later was in class at the legacy.
While F9 has its issues and is far from perfect, its MUCH better to be "stuck" there if the music stops than at any regional.
#14
But yeah, work the meet and greets and keep updating. Eventually it WILL happen.
The right answer to many of these queries about am I competitive enough to put in an app is, Hell no, you aren't the least bit competitive because you don't even have an app in.
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currently around 2200 total with 50 Hours TPIC so I'm not in a bad position I don't think but I also have no interest in wide body flying I can't sleep on planes and call me crazy but I actually like doing the domestic and regional style flying with more legs. Also I would love to do the checkairman thing because I do like the teaching aspect but rumor from checkairman I've flown with is they won't hire any check airman that are not lifers at the airline so I think that may be out of the question but you never know
When I was young 3 hr flights killed me. 1.5 hrs were perfect, just enough time to eat a meal in cruise and start down.
Switched to Europe flying. Avg 8 hr legs. ""if it kills me it's only a two yr lock-in." In the next 33 yrs I spent 28 yrs on the w/b. Did one 2 yr and 1 one yr n/b stint once I upgraded to w/b Captain (28 yrs) for a change of pace.
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