PIC and Dual Received
10-02-2009, 12:45 PM
#11
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Hi!
Virtually every aviation organization is going to count your dual time as dual, and your solo time as solo.
Neither are PIC, or SIC.
YOu can log it however you want, but you may have to change your times when you fill out applications (Usually they are VERY detailed about how you log the time...for the last one I did, they do NOT COUNT dual/solo, OR instructor time, so both the time you and your instructor logged would count for 0 on their application), or you may have to answer questions about your logbook.
It is not very nice when you are low time. I had some solo, and a LOT of dual, and, at first, it didn't help me at all.
Now, it is not so bad, since I've accumulated a bunch of SIC and some PIC time.
cliff
NBO
Virtually every aviation organization is going to count your dual time as dual, and your solo time as solo.
Neither are PIC, or SIC.
YOu can log it however you want, but you may have to change your times when you fill out applications (Usually they are VERY detailed about how you log the time...for the last one I did, they do NOT COUNT dual/solo, OR instructor time, so both the time you and your instructor logged would count for 0 on their application), or you may have to answer questions about your logbook.
It is not very nice when you are low time. I had some solo, and a LOT of dual, and, at first, it didn't help me at all.
Now, it is not so bad, since I've accumulated a bunch of SIC and some PIC time.
cliff
NBO
10-02-2009, 01:15 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
Hi!
Virtually every aviation organization is going to count your dual time as dual, and your solo time as solo.
Neither are PIC, or SIC.
YOu can log it however you want, but you may have to change your times when you fill out applications (Usually they are VERY detailed about how you log the time...for the last one I did, they do NOT COUNT dual/solo, OR instructor time, so both the time you and your instructor logged would count for 0 on their application), or you may have to answer questions about your logbook.
It is not very nice when you are low time. I had some solo, and a LOT of dual, and, at first, it didn't help me at all.
Now, it is not so bad, since I've accumulated a bunch of SIC and some PIC time.
cliff
NBO
Virtually every aviation organization is going to count your dual time as dual, and your solo time as solo.
Neither are PIC, or SIC.
YOu can log it however you want, but you may have to change your times when you fill out applications (Usually they are VERY detailed about how you log the time...for the last one I did, they do NOT COUNT dual/solo, OR instructor time, so both the time you and your instructor logged would count for 0 on their application), or you may have to answer questions about your logbook.
It is not very nice when you are low time. I had some solo, and a LOT of dual, and, at first, it didn't help me at all.
Now, it is not so bad, since I've accumulated a bunch of SIC and some PIC time.
cliff
NBO
Uncle Jesse
10-02-2009, 01:23 PM
#13
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Hi!
U can log however you want.
If you want to be legal, you can log it the way the FAA allows.
If you want to make airline and other applications easy, the standard logging procedure is to ONLY log PIC if you are the one who is responsible for the aircraft, AND, you will have to subtract all your instructor time for some applications, as they don't count it as PIC/SIC.
When you are solo, as I was in my multiengine jet aircraft, I could not count it as PIC, on almost every app I have filled out (well over 100). I was flying solo under the supervison of an instructor (sometimes on the ground), so I only get solo credit, according to the application instructions.
I didn't like losing all my solo and dual time, but this is Earth, so it is not easy. I also lost a bunch of flying time that I flew with my dad, which also ****ed me off, but too bad for me.
cliff
NBO
U can log however you want.
If you want to be legal, you can log it the way the FAA allows.
If you want to make airline and other applications easy, the standard logging procedure is to ONLY log PIC if you are the one who is responsible for the aircraft, AND, you will have to subtract all your instructor time for some applications, as they don't count it as PIC/SIC.
When you are solo, as I was in my multiengine jet aircraft, I could not count it as PIC, on almost every app I have filled out (well over 100). I was flying solo under the supervison of an instructor (sometimes on the ground), so I only get solo credit, according to the application instructions.
I didn't like losing all my solo and dual time, but this is Earth, so it is not easy. I also lost a bunch of flying time that I flew with my dad, which also ****ed me off, but too bad for me.
cliff
NBO
10-02-2009, 04:33 PM
#14
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Posts: 238
Originally Posted by atpcliff
Hi!
U can log however you want.
If you want to be legal, you can log it the way the FAA allows.
If you want to make airline and other applications easy, the standard logging procedure is to ONLY log PIC if you are the one who is responsible for the aircraft, AND, you will have to subtract all your instructor time for some applications, as they don't count it as PIC/SIC.
When you are solo, as I was in my multiengine jet aircraft, I could not count it as PIC, on almost every app I have filled out (well over 100). I was flying solo under the supervison of an instructor (sometimes on the ground), so I only get solo credit, according to the application instructions.
I didn't like losing all my solo and dual time, but this is Earth, so it is not easy. I also lost a bunch of flying time that I flew with my dad, which also ****ed me off, but too bad for me.
cliff
NBO
U can log however you want.
If you want to be legal, you can log it the way the FAA allows.
If you want to make airline and other applications easy, the standard logging procedure is to ONLY log PIC if you are the one who is responsible for the aircraft, AND, you will have to subtract all your instructor time for some applications, as they don't count it as PIC/SIC.
When you are solo, as I was in my multiengine jet aircraft, I could not count it as PIC, on almost every app I have filled out (well over 100). I was flying solo under the supervison of an instructor (sometimes on the ground), so I only get solo credit, according to the application instructions.
I didn't like losing all my solo and dual time, but this is Earth, so it is not easy. I also lost a bunch of flying time that I flew with my dad, which also ****ed me off, but too bad for me.
cliff
NBO
May the force be with you cliff
10-04-2009, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
If you want to make airline and other applications easy, the standard logging procedure is to ONLY log PIC if you are the one who is responsible for the aircraft, AND, you will have to subtract all your instructor time for some applications, as they don't count it as PIC/SIC.
10-05-2009, 02:43 AM
#16
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Hi!
It sounds like a load of crap to me too, but I am not the airline. LOTS of foreign airlines will ONLY accept PIC/SIC. Some will not even count GA PIC (in SE recips), either.
I was not happy with the US airlines, when my solo time didn't count. I'm like, I am the ONLY guy in my T-38, I'm flying single-ship, and I can't count this as PIC. To bad for me!
cliff
NBO
PS-In a GA training plane, NO ONE gets credit for any flight time, according to many foreign airline. It has to be in a paying situation, as in PIC in a King Air, or PIC/SIC for a regional, -135, etc (or any aircraft that requires two pilots).
It sounds like a load of crap to me too, but I am not the airline. LOTS of foreign airlines will ONLY accept PIC/SIC. Some will not even count GA PIC (in SE recips), either.
I was not happy with the US airlines, when my solo time didn't count. I'm like, I am the ONLY guy in my T-38, I'm flying single-ship, and I can't count this as PIC. To bad for me!
cliff
NBO
PS-In a GA training plane, NO ONE gets credit for any flight time, according to many foreign airline. It has to be in a paying situation, as in PIC in a King Air, or PIC/SIC for a regional, -135, etc (or any aircraft that requires two pilots).
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