PRIA and pilot record request
12-10-2018, 09:13 AM
#91
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Originally Posted by ItnStln
Sometimes peoples’ ignorance amazes me. What was his reason for listing a virtual airline?
I found an assistant chief pilot at a 135 operation many years ago who claimed all kinds of experience. I happened into an FBO-flight school and on the wall were solo pictures for students...this guy's pictures were there from a year before.
PRIA exists because until that time, pilots were frequently not entirely forthcoming about their past.
It used to be that to get a FAA signoff to take the written test for the ATP required a review of logbooks and flying history by the FAA, and employers wanted to see the written taken or at least the endorsement to take the written, because it represented the FAA having vetted the pilot's experience.
That's no longer the case.
12-10-2018, 09:21 AM
#92
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Originally Posted by ItnStln
Sometimes peoples’ ignorance amazes me. What was his reason for listing a virtual airline?
I think you may be being excessively nonjudgemental.
For that matter, I'm honestly not sure which I would find more appalling if I were the employer, someone unethical enough to try to lie their way into a job, or someone stupid enough to believe that a virtual job would actually count for experience.
A Hob's choice for sure...
12-10-2018, 09:39 AM
#93
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Inflating his resume with experience he didn't have. He wasn't a qualified airline pilot (wasn't really qualified to open a can of beans, really). Falsified experience.
I found an assistant chief pilot at a 135 operation many years ago who claimed all kinds of experience. I happened into an FBO-flight school and on the wall were solo pictures for students...this guy's pictures were there from a year before.
PRIA exists because until that time, pilots were frequently not entirely forthcoming about their past.
It used to be that to get a FAA signoff to take the written test for the ATP required a review of logbooks and flying history by the FAA, and employers wanted to see the written taken or at least the endorsement to take the written, because it represented the FAA having vetted the pilot's experience.
That's no longer the case.
I found an assistant chief pilot at a 135 operation many years ago who claimed all kinds of experience. I happened into an FBO-flight school and on the wall were solo pictures for students...this guy's pictures were there from a year before.
PRIA exists because until that time, pilots were frequently not entirely forthcoming about their past.
It used to be that to get a FAA signoff to take the written test for the ATP required a review of logbooks and flying history by the FAA, and employers wanted to see the written taken or at least the endorsement to take the written, because it represented the FAA having vetted the pilot's experience.
That's no longer the case.
12-10-2018, 09:40 AM
#94
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Ignorance? Or fraud?
I think you may be being excessively nonjudgemental.
For that matter, I'm honestly not sure which I would find more appalling if I were the employer, someone unethical enough to try to lie their way into a job, or someone stupid enough to believe that a virtual job would actually count for experience.
A Hob's choice for sure...
I think you may be being excessively nonjudgemental.
For that matter, I'm honestly not sure which I would find more appalling if I were the employer, someone unethical enough to try to lie their way into a job, or someone stupid enough to believe that a virtual job would actually count for experience.
A Hob's choice for sure...
12-10-2018, 03:32 PM
#95
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
I have every time I've checked it. Three so far. I just went through another carrier and declined them this time around.
I keep hearing people infer that you get all of this paperwork with your checkride history, but is that even true?
12-10-2018, 04:11 PM
#96
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Originally Posted by wrxpilot
I have as well. But all I ever get is a letter that says I have no certificate actions on file, and I have a valid medical. I’ve never failed a checkride, so I never see anything about those either.
I keep hearing people infer that you get all of this paperwork with your checkride history, but is that even true?
I keep hearing people infer that you get all of this paperwork with your checkride history, but is that even true?
Another question to add...
What happens when a company goes Chapter 11/7 and no longer exists for PRIA purposes? A previous 135 I worked for has recently folded.
12-10-2018, 05:46 PM
#97
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
I have received large packets of paperwork, in the order of over 50 pages. Two of previous employers sent ALL training records.
PRIA in no way limits what an employer can ASK, and it doesn't prevent them from firing you if a previous employer provides TMI.
Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Another question to add...
What happens when a company goes Chapter 11/7 and no longer exists for PRIA purposes? A previous 135 I worked for has recently folded.
What happens when a company goes Chapter 11/7 and no longer exists for PRIA purposes? A previous 135 I worked for has recently folded.
A 135 op (unless it was really big) probably has no custodian. But the airlines are not required to actually receive records from past employers, they are just required to ask for them. Getting no reply from some fly-by-night 91/135 outfit should not really bother an airline. Getting no reply from another airline might be a problem.
12-10-2018, 05:54 PM
#98
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That could be a problem, and it happens. This is why you should disclose all failures (if asked) not just the ones which are *supposed* to show up on PRIA.
PRIA in no way limits what an employer can ASK, and it doesn't prevent them from firing you if a previous employer provides TMI.
Defunct 121 ops will have a records custodian, you'll have to use your network/grapevine to get the contact info.
A 135 op (unless it was really big) probably has no custodian. But the airlines are not required to actually receive records from past employers, they are just required to ask for them. Getting no reply from some fly-by-night 91/135 outfit should not really bother an airline. Getting no reply from another airline might be a problem.
PRIA in no way limits what an employer can ASK, and it doesn't prevent them from firing you if a previous employer provides TMI.
Defunct 121 ops will have a records custodian, you'll have to use your network/grapevine to get the contact info.
A 135 op (unless it was really big) probably has no custodian. But the airlines are not required to actually receive records from past employers, they are just required to ask for them. Getting no reply from some fly-by-night 91/135 outfit should not really bother an airline. Getting no reply from another airline might be a problem.
12-12-2018, 04:39 PM
#99
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Fired pilots
What happens to those pilots who were fired but never disclosed it?
I dont mean for aviation related issues like poor performance in the aircraft, failing training or accidents or incidents.
I mean for things like non aviation related such as poor attendance or missing too many trips, calling in sick often etc.
Are those guys likely to lose their next job if thy do not disclose they were fired and the company sends over info saying they were?
I dont mean for aviation related issues like poor performance in the aircraft, failing training or accidents or incidents.
I mean for things like non aviation related such as poor attendance or missing too many trips, calling in sick often etc.
Are those guys likely to lose their next job if thy do not disclose they were fired and the company sends over info saying they were?
12-12-2018, 04:40 PM
#100
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Originally Posted by Egg320
What happens to those pilots who were fired but never disclosed it?
I dont mean for aviation related issues like poor performance in the aircraft, failing training or accidents or incidents.
I mean for things like non aviation related such as poor attendance or missing too many trips, calling in sick often etc.
Are those guys likely to lose their next job if thy do not disclose they were fired and the company sends over info saying they were?
I dont mean for aviation related issues like poor performance in the aircraft, failing training or accidents or incidents.
I mean for things like non aviation related such as poor attendance or missing too many trips, calling in sick often etc.
Are those guys likely to lose their next job if thy do not disclose they were fired and the company sends over info saying they were?
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