Do busts really matter if from PNCL or MESA??
#22
Understandably, there are standards set forth that pilots AND the examiners need to follow. Given multiple failures at the same time is rediculous. If the examiner doesn't create a realistic environment, what do you do?? When you're going missed on a CAT 2, and an engine fire happens along with thrust reverser deployment all at the same time...is overwhelming.
How is a T/R deploy with associated fire a "multiple failure"? Catastrophic failure within the engine could deploy T/Rs and cause a fire indication. Obviously if a T/R is deploying uncommanded you have some sort of catastrophic failure. Going missed from the bottom of a CAT 2 (or 1 or 3) approach is inconsequential.
Originally Posted by BoilerUp
Its been a while...but I didn't think they could give you compound failures on a "jeopardy" checking event?
If the OP failed a checkride because of a LH Engine T/R deployment at the MAP, which was shortly followed by a RH Engine fire indication, I'd probably give some slack. Personally, if I feel that a sim is being run unfairly, then I'm going to request that the instructor freeze the sim and explain why they feel that their scenario is justified.
That said, when I climb into the sim, I'm usually asking for punishment with a smile on my face.
Personally, I like having regular training events- even when I was with the airlines I enjoyed climbing into the box every 6 months... Jeopardy event or not.Orals on the other hand... you can keep those!
#23
That's what I thought...
Of course, that didn't stop me from getting a circling, OEI, no flap, manual gear extension & emergency brake stop landing for my last approach/landing on my CE500 type ride...
"We wouldn't and couldn't have busted you on it but wanted to see if you could handle it all - and yup, you could."
Of course, that didn't stop me from getting a circling, OEI, no flap, manual gear extension & emergency brake stop landing for my last approach/landing on my CE500 type ride...

"We wouldn't and couldn't have busted you on it but wanted to see if you could handle it all - and yup, you could."
#24
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From: Left seat, wait right seat, no no left seat, nope right seat! Ummmm, I guess I am confused
My most fun experience in the sim was OEI smoke filled cockpit doing an ILS on backup instruments and having the working engine catch fire at about 1000' AGL. We got it down and then went to have a beer
#25
Punch the Master Warn, tell the PNF you're continuing to the runway and to have CFR standing by, and drive the beast onto the runway for a hard stop, emergency shutdown and evacuation leading directly to the sim center break room for a cup of coffee...
#26
My sim partner from training had a strange situation that he now thinks will certainly keep him in the regional ranks forever. He went in for the oral, busted for various reasons, came back the next day, passed the oral, hopped in the sim, had an awful day, then failed the sim. Even though this was all for the same event, apparently training records show this as 2 seperate failed events since they were on different days with different instructors. Although this happened several years ago and he hasn't had any problems since, makes you really want to go in prepared as it seems with the new legislation, a situation like this would probably make any major throw out your application without thinking twice. As for one remote failure though, explain it and learn from it, and I'm sure you'll be fine.
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