Options with out a 4 year degree.
12-13-2012, 09:25 PM
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Texas A&M University-Commerce: BSBA - Online
http://www.distance.ufl.edu/bachelors
legit, accredited, BS degree, completely online.
http://www.distance.ufl.edu/bachelors
legit, accredited, BS degree, completely online.
12-13-2012, 09:27 PM
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agree..... there are already enough applicants for each hiring window that opens.. There has to be some way to seperate applicants. And it ain't 7000 RJ hours because just about everyone has that. Everyone also has things like an ATP, jet type ratings, a recommendation etc..
Kinda cracks me up evertime I see someone post that they have 4500TT with 2000 in a CRJ and complains that they didn't hear from carrier xxx.. It is sooo competative out there that about the only thing that guarantees anyone an interview would be either Shuttle time, or Air Force 1 time... The rest of us just have to rely on either a really good connection or pure luck that some HR person glanced at our resume a second time.
agree..... there are already enough applicants for each hiring window that opens.. There has to be some way to seperate applicants. And it ain't 7000 RJ hours because just about everyone has that. Everyone also has things like an ATP, jet type ratings, a recommendation etc..
Kinda cracks me up evertime I see someone post that they have 4500TT with 2000 in a CRJ and complains that they didn't hear from carrier xxx.. It is sooo competative out there that about the only thing that guarantees anyone an interview would be either Shuttle time, or Air Force 1 time... The rest of us just have to rely on either a really good connection or pure luck that some HR person glanced at our resume a second time.
12-13-2012, 10:01 PM
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What's so special about time in AF1? It's a 747 isn't it?
Shuttle time alone isn't good enough anyway. You have to show that you've done at least one raw data instrument approach to landing in the shuttle. That landing must also be at the threshold -0/+100ft.
Shuttle time alone isn't good enough anyway. You have to show that you've done at least one raw data instrument approach to landing in the shuttle. That landing must also be at the threshold -0/+100ft.
12-14-2012, 05:26 AM
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Getting a degree lets your perspective employer know you have the self discipline to finish something. There are inexpensive ways to get a degree and ways to complete one in your spare time. We've all known that most pilot jobs at a quality company require one. Refuse to get it at your own peril; you've taken your app out of contention at 90% of the majors.
With the exception of certain technical careers, everything we need to function on the job, we learned in elementary school. So a pilot who completed the fifth grade has plenty of education. If I was HR, no way they get an invite.
With the exception of certain technical careers, everything we need to function on the job, we learned in elementary school. So a pilot who completed the fifth grade has plenty of education. If I was HR, no way they get an invite.
12-14-2012, 06:20 AM
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Four year degree.......
In college you learn how to learn learn. At least that's what they told me.
Flying a plane is basically an easy job.
However, stepping up to a glass-cockpit, FMS, FBW, ECAM system is a daunting task for steam-gauge pilots. And don't forget reading and understanding Part 121 regs.
Many military pilots even have masters degrees.
Airline recruiters are under pressure NOT to hire pilots who will fail initial training.
Flying a plane is basically an easy job.
However, stepping up to a glass-cockpit, FMS, FBW, ECAM system is a daunting task for steam-gauge pilots. And don't forget reading and understanding Part 121 regs.
Many military pilots even have masters degrees.
Airline recruiters are under pressure NOT to hire pilots who will fail initial training.
12-14-2012, 06:25 AM
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Most military pilots (I know quite a few) have advanced degrees as to promote in the military (or to even "keep your job") you need to show education progression. In addition, due to the nature of the military, these pilots have already been exposed to various interview panels, boards, have had to conduct presentations, etc etc. So they arguably may be better prepared than a civilian counterpart for a airline interview.
This, plus their network of squadron buddies, etc contacts, is why they seem to have an advantage over civilian folks.
In sum, in today's hiring environment, a college degree is needed to rise to the top of the interview stack.
Plus, if we are going to further the notion that pilot career is "white collar" and a "professional" career, versus merely an equipment operator, then the profession as a whole should advocate that a 4-year degree should be mandatory. Or we will never make any headway with the white collar argument,
irregardless of how important and how skilled we consider ourselves.
Most military pilots (I know quite a few) have advanced degrees as to promote in the military (or to even "keep your job") you need to show education progression. In addition, due to the nature of the military, these pilots have already been exposed to various interview panels, boards, have had to conduct presentations, etc etc. So they arguably may be better prepared than a civilian counterpart for a airline interview.
This, plus their network of squadron buddies, etc contacts, is why they seem to have an advantage over civilian folks.
In sum, in today's hiring environment, a college degree is needed to rise to the top of the interview stack.
Plus, if we are going to further the notion that pilot career is "white collar" and a "professional" career, versus merely an equipment operator, then the profession as a whole should advocate that a 4-year degree should be mandatory. Or we will never make any headway with the white collar argument,
irregardless of how important and how skilled we consider ourselves.
12-14-2012, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by satpak77
Also
Most military pilots (I know quite a few) have advanced degrees as to promote in the military (or to even "keep your job") you need to show education progression. In addition, due to the nature of the military, these pilots have already been exposed to various interview panels, boards, have had to conduct presentations, etc etc. So they arguably may be better prepared than a civilian counterpart for a airline interview.
This, plus their network of squadron buddies, etc contacts, is why they seem to have an advantage over civilian folks.
In sum, in today's hiring environment, a college degree is needed to rise to the top of the interview stack.
Most military pilots (I know quite a few) have advanced degrees as to promote in the military (or to even "keep your job") you need to show education progression. In addition, due to the nature of the military, these pilots have already been exposed to various interview panels, boards, have had to conduct presentations, etc etc. So they arguably may be better prepared than a civilian counterpart for a airline interview.
This, plus their network of squadron buddies, etc contacts, is why they seem to have an advantage over civilian folks.
In sum, in today's hiring environment, a college degree is needed to rise to the top of the interview stack.
12-14-2012, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by AirbusA320
I think FEDEX has a minimum GPA. 2.0 doesn't cut it.
I think this just re-highlights the fact that to get hired at good companies, you need good creds.
12-14-2012, 09:21 AM
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Here's my theory on those higher paying foreign jobs.... They are basically throwing extra money at you to entice you to live or commute to a very different place than most of us are accustom to....
Supply and demand though, if everyone was willing to uproot their family and move to the ME or Phillipines, pay would go down.. For people like me, there would be no way I'd move my kids 5000 miles to the other side of the Earth.
You could offer me $500,000 tax free and I still wouldn't go fly in the M.E. Let alone move my blonde wife and kids there.
Supply and demand though, if everyone was willing to uproot their family and move to the ME or Phillipines, pay would go down.. For people like me, there would be no way I'd move my kids 5000 miles to the other side of the Earth.
You could offer me $500,000 tax free and I still wouldn't go fly in the M.E. Let alone move my blonde wife and kids there.
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