ABX pilot buyout?
02-22-2017, 10:17 AM
#21
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ATSG isn't the one who is sending the Amazon work to ATI. And it isn't going there because of the price. But if management is talking about the ABX pilot contract being too rich, particularly the basic, non-Junior-Manning, rates, they are smoking, or more-precisely soaping, something very bizarre. That's just stupid, and if it's part of some kind of tactical play, it just makes them look like Bumpkinville amateurs.
02-22-2017, 01:36 PM
#22
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Ejected,
One thing you forgot on your list is that the senior pilots at ABX will sell out the junior guys and allow a furlough......They have a proven track record and don't give a F$$k about you, your career, or your family. I hope it doesn't happen to you, but I would start looking elsewhere! Good luck.
One thing you forgot on your list is that the senior pilots at ABX will sell out the junior guys and allow a furlough......They have a proven track record and don't give a F$$k about you, your career, or your family. I hope it doesn't happen to you, but I would start looking elsewhere! Good luck.
02-22-2017, 04:30 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by Ejected
Just to clarify, ATSG can place those jets in either ABX or ATI as they wish. There's no hard scope language for Amazon.
I'm just going to copy and paste from the sticky notes on the "2017 pilot contract" title on JH's office "to do" board:
Step 1: Tell your pilots ABX is not competitive because they're way too expensive. Note to myself: don't forget to tell them they stabbed the company in the back, make sure Amazon doesn't find out the strike was on me
Step 2: Demand a crappy contract.
Step 3: If pilots don't want to sign the new sh*tty a** contract, tell them all new flying is going to ATI.
Step 4: If they still don't want to sign the contract, send all new Amazon airplanes to ATI. Note: don't over do it, we don't want ATI to become a liability. We can take the airplanes away from them later on
Step 5: Offer senior pilots a crappy early out. Key words: overstaffed and F... yeahh F my favorite word. That'll teach them.
Step 6: When is ATI's turn to sign a new contract, repeat step 1 thru 5.
The only problem here is that ABX pilots won't cave. They can use the word F but beleive me, nobody is afraid on this side of the fence. The strike has brought the group closer, seems like we're all on the same page. Just like what everybody said when the strike happened. "Now or never!" And NO, we don't regret it.
I'm just going to copy and paste from the sticky notes on the "2017 pilot contract" title on JH's office "to do" board:
Step 1: Tell your pilots ABX is not competitive because they're way too expensive. Note to myself: don't forget to tell them they stabbed the company in the back, make sure Amazon doesn't find out the strike was on me
Step 2: Demand a crappy contract.
Step 3: If pilots don't want to sign the new sh*tty a** contract, tell them all new flying is going to ATI.
Step 4: If they still don't want to sign the contract, send all new Amazon airplanes to ATI. Note: don't over do it, we don't want ATI to become a liability. We can take the airplanes away from them later on
Step 5: Offer senior pilots a crappy early out. Key words: overstaffed and F... yeahh F my favorite word. That'll teach them.
Step 6: When is ATI's turn to sign a new contract, repeat step 1 thru 5.
The only problem here is that ABX pilots won't cave. They can use the word F but beleive me, nobody is afraid on this side of the fence. The strike has brought the group closer, seems like we're all on the same page. Just like what everybody said when the strike happened. "Now or never!" And NO, we don't regret it.
02-22-2017, 05:45 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by Red Baron
Ejected,
One thing you forgot on your list is that the senior pilots at ABX will sell out the junior guys and allow a furlough......They have a proven track record and don't give a F$$k about you, your career, or your family. I hope it doesn't happen to you, but I would start looking elsewhere! Good luck.
One thing you forgot on your list is that the senior pilots at ABX will sell out the junior guys and allow a furlough......They have a proven track record and don't give a F$$k about you, your career, or your family. I hope it doesn't happen to you, but I would start looking elsewhere! Good luck.
02-22-2017, 11:37 PM
#27
RJ Furlough
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Soaper has a track record of shutting down or messing up every place he has worked.. thats something that worries me because he does not care if he looses his position.. he seems to enjoy wreking peoples careers
02-23-2017, 01:13 AM
#28
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0500 and the best way to start the day is a bagel, coffee and ATSG reading. Due to medical I've flown a dest for a while but rumors are hot and heavy something is about to happen over there.
I have little doubt you will win your single carrier filing. I'm sure Hete has been briefed on it as well. Regardless of what ATI pilots may say it all comes down to earnings. If given the vote post SC finding it would most likely swing Teamsters. Alternatively, what would keep Hete from merging everything under ATI. He has the power to do that. Even if you win single carrier, that can be done and it puts everyone under ALPA where it's pretty well known the union is on payroll. It also puts you into a JCBA that will be blended with an industry famous (infamous) low contract.
just a point to prove how sub standard the ATI contract is look at the post "ATI Hiring" and compare it to "ABX Hiring" 52K views to 206k views. No one in aviation history has done more to hurt the payscales than that airline.
I have little doubt you will win your single carrier filing. I'm sure Hete has been briefed on it as well. Regardless of what ATI pilots may say it all comes down to earnings. If given the vote post SC finding it would most likely swing Teamsters. Alternatively, what would keep Hete from merging everything under ATI. He has the power to do that. Even if you win single carrier, that can be done and it puts everyone under ALPA where it's pretty well known the union is on payroll. It also puts you into a JCBA that will be blended with an industry famous (infamous) low contract.
just a point to prove how sub standard the ATI contract is look at the post "ATI Hiring" and compare it to "ABX Hiring" 52K views to 206k views. No one in aviation history has done more to hurt the payscales than that airline.
02-23-2017, 03:39 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by hackerbyday
This is a F_ing lie. While there may have been a couple that continued to bid open flying, a_holes are everywhere, the overwhelming majority of us did not. We could have burned the place down and you still would cry and make up some other way that you were allegedly wronged.
02-23-2017, 07:34 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by WingOffLight
I have little doubt you will win your single carrier filing. I'm sure Hete has been briefed on it as well. Regardless of what ATI pilots may say it all comes down to earnings. If given the vote post SC finding it would most likely swing Teamsters. Alternatively, what would keep Hete from merging everything under ATI. He has the power to do that. Even if you win single carrier, that can be done and it puts everyone under ALPA where it's pretty well known the union is on payroll. It also puts you into a JCBA that will be blended with an industry famous (infamous) low contract.
Doesn't work like that.
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