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Old 04-08-2017 | 06:05 PM
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**** off you Troll!


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Old 04-08-2017 | 06:21 PM
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Why the hate? I was merely pointing out a simple way for Hete, ATI, DHL and Amazon to get around your scope. If I can figure it out, I'm sure Hete and F&H can too... and then some.
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Old 04-08-2017 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CTRCommander
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I call them like I see them...
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Old 04-09-2017 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by WTFover
Previously posted:
"Article 1.E.1.a of the 2009 Contract basically says that: ABX Crewmembers shall fly (1) all flights [with some exceptions not relevant here] (2) of any aircraft leased, owned, or operated by ABX Air and its subsidiaries and divisions, (3) that are performed by or on behalf of ABX Air OR are performed by or on behalf of any entity that ABX Air owns more than half of, OR are performed by or on behalf of any entity that owns more than half of ABX Air OR are performed by or on behalf of any entity that is more than half-owned by any entity that owns more than half of ABX Air (which would include ATI)."
Seems to me if that scope language is so air-tight then ATI would have ceased to exist in 2009- yet here we are...
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Old 04-09-2017 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Kougarok
I call them like I see them...
You are beyond naive if you think Hete, DHL and Amazon won't come up with some method of co-mingling volume on ATI flights out of CVG. F&H will come up with an explanation as to why it's "legal".
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Old 04-09-2017 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CTRCommander
Why will the Atlas pilots be unhappy on May 1st?
We're unhappy every day. What would make us MORE unhappy on May 1st?
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Old 04-09-2017 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by captainv
We're unhappy every day. What would make us MORE unhappy on May 1st?

No idea...that may have been a friend getting my acct back up and posted that.

As our CEO claimed a long time ago "it could be more worse"

Then I was furloughed


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Old 04-09-2017 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Kougarok
I call them like I see them...
Yup, isn't it interesting how another "aryan" crops up within 4 days of being banned last month.
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Old 04-09-2017 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Omnipotent
You are beyond naive if you think Hete, DHL and Amazon won't come up with some method of co-mingling volume on ATI flights out of CVG. F&H will come up with an explanation as to why it's "legal".
Oh I agree with what you're saying. You're still a ****ing Troll.
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Old 04-09-2017 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Omnipotent
Why the hate? I was merely pointing out a simple way for Hete, ATI, DHL and Amazon to get around your scope. If I can figure it out, I'm sure Hete and F&H can too... and then some.
Ford and Harrison already have experience with delaying scope clauses for many years...


ALPA filed a grievance shortly after the merger contending that DHL was bound by the 1998 scope clause and all of the flying being performed by ABX Air now belonged to the ALPA-represented ASTAR pilots. ALPA subsequently filed a lawsuit (counterclaim) in federal court in New York seeking to enjoin DHL from continuing to utilize ABX Air to carry its freight pending arbitration of this scope grievance.
ABX Air intervened in the New York lawsuit and persuaded the court to stay the case pending the outcome of an unfair labor practice charge that ABX Air filed against ALPA in which it contended that ALPA’s scope clause was an illegal “hot cargo” provision in violation of Section 8(e) of the NLRA and that its grievance and lawsuit constituted unlawful coercion against a neutral employer (DHL) to force it to cease doing business with another person (ABX) in violation of Sections 8(b)(4)(ii)(A) and (B) of the NLRA.
The ALJ agreed with ABX and the NLRB affirmed the ALJ’s decision, rejecting ALPA’s argument that the Board lacked jurisdiction because of what it claimed was essentially a Railway Labor Act dispute. The Board held that while the employees involved in the dispute, ABX and ASTAR pilots, are covered by the RLA, only one of the two employers involved, ABX, is subject to the RLA. DHL, the “neutral” entity against whom the allegedly illegal conduct was directed, is covered by the NLRA. Thus, since ALPA, a NLRA-covered labor organization, chose to enmesh DHL, a NLRA-covered employer, in its dispute with ABX, an RLA employer, the Board had jurisdiction to determine whether ALPA violated the NLRA’s secondary boycott provisions.
The Board adopted the ALJ’s determination that ALPA’s pursuit of its grievance and counterclaim constituted unlawful secondary boycott. The Board determined that the object of ALPA’s conduct was to require DHL and Airborne to cease doing business with ABX in violation of NLRA. The court also held that this conduct was aimed at acquiring work for ALPA’s members, not preserving their work. Thus, it was an unlawful secondary boycott.
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