Originally Posted by Lockheed

I sincerely hope it works out for your group
it can not be said enough that ABEX leaders
gave us support at 1224 exco when we needed it
and they were the only ones

UPS pilots sleep on their 747's
Atlas pilots sleep on their 747's
and we at k4 do to - its nice to take a 2hr break on a 7hr flt

but how about people comment with actual knowledge
these are K4 max Scheduled duty days

14 hrs - 2 pilot crew
17 hrs - 3 pilot crew
24 hrs - 4 pilot crew

rarely and I do mean RARELY does a Double crew have a duty day
in excess of 18 hrs - the reason they use 2x crew is because
the flt time is more than 12hrs

We at K4 LIKE those trips - we like them a lot - they make us lots of money

If pilots at other airlines want something different that is up to them - not me

Originally Posted by Jason605

The irony here is killing me. Wants to corner the market on military flying, too good to stay with the military on an overnight.....

Originally Posted by Lockheed

We at K4 LIKE those trips - we like them a lot - they make us lots of money

Originally Posted by maxjet

Hey dumbut. With this post you have informed all of us at K4 that you know nothing of which you talk of. Position a crew into position? Oh yea, please sign me up for a overnight in the “air conditioned” tent in Baghram. Oh wait! Flight is delayed, now cancelled. Oh, now ride back out on Iraqi Air. You are a moron. You rant about quality of life, yet you want us to have to stay in one of Trumps —-hole countries?

Originally Posted by be76flyer

Do you only like them because they make you a lot of money? Can you really say a 30 hour or even a 24 hour duty day is safe or even good for your body? All that money doesn't matter if you are in the ground by 66.

Originally Posted by No Land 3

That’s what a smart person does. We all should have additional income streams as well.

Originally Posted by sky jet

At Kalitta we went from a 30 hour max duty day for a double crew to a 24 hour max duty day for a double crew after the arbitration. I'm curious as to how long you guys whining about that think we should have held out for fewer hours? Another month? 6 months? A year? After six years of negotiations we took a significant gain in the area of duty times and a large gain in pay rates and quality of life issues. Also, many areas of our contract were negotiated in the years when the industry was not as robust as it is now. Things that were TA'd in 2013 or 2014 don't look particularly impressive right now but were not bad in the era they were agreed to. That is why there is pattern bargaining. We raise the bar in one or two areas and the next group does the same. By the time it gets back around to us again the floor will hopefully have been raised considerably.

I look forward to building on the contracts that Atlas, ABX or others sign before we begin section 6 talks in a few years. Instead of crying over spilt milk, perhaps it is you who should worry about not letting the rest of us down. It is easy to talk big when you have not signed a new contract. The proof will be in the document YOU eventually agree to.

Originally Posted by maxjet

Hey dumbut. With this post you have informed all of us at K4 that you know nothing of which you talk of. Position a crew into position? Oh yea, please sign me up for a overnight in the “air conditioned” tent in Baghram. Oh wait! Flight is delayed, now cancelled. Oh, now ride back out on Iraqi Air. You are a moron. You rant about quality of life, yet you want us to have to stay in one of Trumps —-hole countries?

Originally Posted by maxjet

You have been on this theme for a while and at first I was buying it. Then I realized that retirement is my responsibility not the companies. Now don’t get me wrong, if a group can get the legacy 401k plans, that is way better than the equivalent pay raise. I have always contributed the max every year into my 401k. I have other investment accounts and I invested in rental property. Diversity is what it is all about regarding a secure retirement. Bottom line, fight for retirement benefits but certainly don’t count on a single source.

Originally Posted by nitefr8dog

Wow...you really have no idea how this works. K4 can still do the same flying ..just not let the company do it on the cheap. Airline a crew into position and go to crew rest. Management has been serving you the kool-aid...you don't have to drink it. When we fly these trips that are "necessary for our operation " we have a max 16 hrs and another crew picks it up from there. How hard is that to understand? Almost every ACMI carrier has had to compete from the bottom because K4, ATI, Southern had pilots willing to work with horible pay and work rules. Why would not have taken thos opportunity to change that?....weak!