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Originally Posted by Riverside
(Post 3318586)
that's more than any other ACMI out there.
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Originally Posted by Riverside
(Post 3318586)
that's more than any other ACMI out there.
most are down to 17 and some even 16. No wonder they have a retention problem |
Is it true, or just bad info, that if you start on the 10th of the month, for example.. and get extended to 20 days.. the company can say “guess what- it’s the 1st of a new month… we get to keep you out 17 more and extend to 20!!” And you end up being out up to 40 days straight…
truth or nasty rumor? because if true… no wonder people quit! |
If you bid a line that extends into the next month, youv'e bid a carry over line. if you're extended to 20 days, you're extended to 20 days. That doesn't impact what you bid the following month; this is true of other ACMI operators, whether it's a lesser period, or not. If you're extended, you're extended.
If you bid a line that extends to the end of the month, and bid the next line that starts at the first of the month, and you're extended both times to 20 days, then yes, you might be out 40 days. A bid that's extended to 20 days doesn't magically become a new bid if a new month starts. Most bids will be to the end of the month. A few bid as carry-over or transition lines to cover trips occuring at that time. Open time to cover the rest. With any ACMI carrier, if you are awarded a line which ends where the other begins, then yes, you'll very likely be in the field for that entire time. Only operators that don't call you out unless there's actually a trip, will do otherwise, when you'll wait at home until you're given a trip...there's one ACMI operator that does that, that I'm aware of. Otherwise, most of the operators will put you in the field, somewhere, in a hotel, during your on-days. Not all operators will extend you during the overage days, but several use the same thing; you have x number of days they can use you, and you can be extended x days following. For western Global, you can be used 17, extended to 20. Overtime begins on day 19. Regular pay on day 18. Day 19 and 20, 1.5 regular. Anything over 20, then 2X regular. What you may be. hearing is that if you're out 20 days on an assigned line, and you have another line, back to back, then you don't get overtime when you start your new line. If you were given a line of 17 days that ended on the 28th of the month, for example, and extended three more days to 20 days, then you're done on the 31st. If your next bid award begins on the 1st, then you're not going home, because your new line is starting on the 1st. The 1st will be your 21st day in the field, but because it's a new line, you don't get 2x overtime. You don't get overtime at all, because you're starting your 17 day line. You may be extended three days at the end of that line as well, so instead of finishing up on the 17th, you finish up on the 20th, and have then been in the field for 40 days. If you are kept out into the next month, your per diem should also go up to 100/day, but if you bid that line, or it was part of a regular award, then you don't get the 100/day, just regular per diem. The operator dangles the carrot, but invariably finds a way to keep from paying it. Maybe send you home for one day, resetting the per diem clock. The head scheduler at a different operator used to brag that she knew forty ways to screw a pilot over. She used every one of them. That operator was not unique.
Originally Posted by treefiddy
(Post 3318588)
You get paid OT for anything over day 17 so the money is there.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 3319821)
If you bid a line that extends into the next month, youv'e bid a carry over line. if you're extended to 20 days, you're extended to 20 days. That doesn't impact what you bid the following month; this is true of other ACMI operators, whether it's a lesser period, or not. If you're extended, you're extended.
If you bid a line that extends to the end of the month, and bid the next line that starts at the first of the month, and you're extended both times to 20 days, then yes, you might be out 40 days. A bid that's extended to 20 days doesn't magically become a new bid if a new month starts. Most bids will be to the end of the month. A few bid as carry-over or transition lines to cover trips occuring at that time. Open time to cover the rest. With any ACMI carrier, if you are awarded a line which ends where the other begins, then yes, you'll very likely be in the field for that entire time. Only operators that don't call you out unless there's actually a trip, will do otherwise, when you'll wait at home until you're given a trip...there's one ACMI operator that does that, that I'm aware of. Otherwise, most of the operators will put you in the field, somewhere, in a hotel, during your on-days. Not all operators will extend you during the overage days, but several use the same thing; you have x number of days they can use you, and you can be extended x days following. For western Global, you can be used 17, extended to 20. Overtime begins on day 19. Regular pay on day 18. Day 19 and 20, 1.5 regular. Anything over 20, then 2X regular. What you may be. hearing is that if you're out 20 days on an assigned line, and you have another line, back to back, then you don't get overtime when you start your new line. If you were given a line of 17 days that ended on the 28th of the month, for example, and extended three more days to 20 days, then you're done on the 31st. If your next bid award begins on the 1st, then you're not going home, because your new line is starting on the 1st. The 1st will be your 21st day in the field, but because it's a new line, you don't get 2x overtime. You don't get overtime at all, because you're starting your 17 day line. You may be extended three days at the end of that line as well, so instead of finishing up on the 17th, you finish up on the 20th, and have then been in the field for 40 days. If you are kept out into the next month, your per diem should also go up to 100/day, but if you bid that line, or it was part of a regular award, then you don't get the 100/day, just regular per diem. The operator dangles the carrot, but invariably finds a way to keep from paying it. Maybe send you home for one day, resetting the per diem clock. The head scheduler at a different operator used to brag that she knew forty ways to screw a pilot over. She used every one of them. That operator was not unique. But you really don't, do you? Day 18 pays the same as day 17; regular rate. "overtime" begins on day 19 and 20, when you get time and a half. Not until day 21 does it go to double the daily rate. To begin making any real overtime, you have to work over 20 days |
It is terrible. That's why it sounds that way.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 3319821)
If you bid a line that extends into the next month, youv'e bid a carry over line. if you're extended to 20 days, you're extended to 20 days. That doesn't impact what you bid the following month; this is true of other ACMI operators, whether it's a lesser period, or not. If you're extended, you're extended.
If you bid a line that extends to the end of the month, and bid the next line that starts at the first of the month, and you're extended both times to 20 days, then yes, you might be out 40 days. A bid that's extended to 20 days doesn't magically become a new bid if a new month starts. Most bids will be to the end of the month. A few bid as carry-over or transition lines to cover trips occuring at that time. Open time to cover the rest. With any ACMI carrier, if you are awarded a line which ends where the other begins, then yes, you'll very likely be in the field for that entire time. Only operators that don't call you out unless there's actually a trip, will do otherwise, when you'll wait at home until you're given a trip...there's one ACMI operator that does that, that I'm aware of. Otherwise, most of the operators will put you in the field, somewhere, in a hotel, during your on-days. Not all operators will extend you during the overage days, but several use the same thing; you have x number of days they can use you, and you can be extended x days following. For western Global, you can be used 17, extended to 20. Overtime begins on day 19. Regular pay on day 18. Day 19 and 20, 1.5 regular. Anything over 20, then 2X regular. What you may be. hearing is that if you're out 20 days on an assigned line, and you have another line, back to back, then you don't get overtime when you start your new line. If you were given a line of 17 days that ended on the 28th of the month, for example, and extended three more days to 20 days, then you're done on the 31st. If your next bid award begins on the 1st, then you're not going home, because your new line is starting on the 1st. The 1st will be your 21st day in the field, but because it's a new line, you don't get 2x overtime. You don't get overtime at all, because you're starting your 17 day line. You may be extended three days at the end of that line as well, so instead of finishing up on the 17th, you finish up on the 20th, and have then been in the field for 40 days. If you are kept out into the next month, your per diem should also go up to 100/day, but if you bid that line, or it was part of a regular award, then you don't get the 100/day, just regular per diem. The operator dangles the carrot, but invariably finds a way to keep from paying it. Maybe send you home for one day, resetting the per diem clock. The head scheduler at a different operator used to brag that she knew forty ways to screw a pilot over. She used every one of them. That operator was not unique. But you really don't, do you? Day 18 pays the same as day 17; regular rate. "overtime" begins on day 19 and 20, when you get time and a half. Not until day 21 does it go to double the daily rate. To begin making any real overtime, you have to work over 20 days |
Originally Posted by Swakid8
(Post 3320050)
Yeah… we have a contract provision at my ACMI that has a max extension amount of days plus they don’t just reward back to back lines without adjusting the schedule to include a 4 days off between trips.
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Originally Posted by Lockheed
(Post 3320506)
At my ACMI there is no such thing as being extened
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
(Post 3320050)
Yeah… we have a contract provision at my ACMI that has a max extension amount of days plus they don’t just reward back to back lines without adjusting the schedule to include a 4 days off between trips.
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