Wingdeagle11

Sure, we can have any conversation you like. Based on how long your “essays” are on APC, you must be having lots of time on your hands. Try not to skip your much needed anger management classes. Not attending may not be good for your health. How’s that heartburn btw, ? Sorry to hear your stint with WGA did not go well and you are killing your days by taking vendetta and spreading lies after lies. Rather entertaining, I must admit.

Wingdeagle11

He must be sitting on the fence in SHV or RSW collecting all this information. Certainly very emotionally involved for someone who has never been employed by WGA.

JohnBurke

For the record, are you suggesting that anything I have said here did not happen?

You just did. You called my comments lies. Nothing I have said is inaccurate or a lie. Not in the slightest.

If you deny this, you are a liar. Pure and simple. Cheerlead for WGA all you like, but you do it on a bed of lies. They just don't hold up to the attrition among pilots and mechanics; the masses are jumping ship and have been for some time. The airplanes aren't flying. They're broken around the world.

Tell me about a time last year, when not only the entire MD11 fleet was AOG, but the 747's as well. Can you do that?

Wingdeagle11

Let’s start with cleaning up the first lie, like you never have been employed by WGA. You have already outed yourself. Dragging your former employer through the mud is not going to get you anywhere, except giving you that temporary moment of satisfaction. Your posts will not prevent pilots from going to WGA and those who leave, follow the path of the current job market. Again, sorry your gig did not work out for you at WGA. Now keep on flaming 😉

bajthejino

A former coworker of mine has been with WGA for 4-5 years now. From what I can tell from his FB posts he seems rather happy there. I will be applying when I return in April from my OCUNUS rotation with a DoD contractor. Seems like an airline that is improving.
Disgruntled ex-employees gonna disgruntle...

Birdsmash

Maybe it’s just a disgruntled ex-employee. However, those stories sound very, very familiar with how Jim N ran SouthernAir many years ago. I was a longtime Jim N employee. Take that tidbit however you like.

C17B74

Negative is negative totally agree, but can anyone refute the stated events rather than lambasting each other as an answer. Just reading from the sidelines, but did the aforementioned events happen as stated = Yes or No simple answer or at least correct the information provided. If it was factual and the only answer is “under new management” then things are looking up and that is good, time will tell and may the outcome be good.

bajthejino

For sure. I'm under no illusion that its the bestest airline in the whole wide cargo world. All I can take away from all this is that there is good and bad and it seems like the bad is in the process of being improved-or at least people are making efforts to improve the bad to better than bad.
SouthernAir under Jim N must not have been too awfully bad as you state-you were a longtime employee...

C17B74

Every outfit has its fleas no matter how great folks declare it is, we just have our own priorities that dictate what meets our needs both good and bad. Unsure what timeframe Birdsmash might have been under SouthernAir, definitely prior to its acquisition by Atlas is a pure educated guess. Either way, history shows many good people were stuck at numerous outfits due to 9/11 as an example. Glad to hear things seem to be moving towards the good.

JohnBurke

You lie again. Show me saying it.

WGA has a LONG history of extremely poor maintenance, and not poor as in done in ignorance. Poor as in pushing unairworthy equipment on the road and kicking the can down the road one flight at a time in the hopes of eeking one more revenue trip. Poor as repeatedly making writeups disappear, and repeat writeups.

The cheerleaders dismiss and diminish. Don't listen to the past, they will tell you. The future is rosy. We're under new management (DO). The siren song, with each change to date, but the company is micromanaged from the top down, and those idealists who have attempted change soon find themselves beleaguered and hamstrung, denied the ability to do their job, whether it's chief pilot or standards captain or director of training, or even director of maintenance.

It's easy to dismiss the truth as "disgruntled," when there's nothing of the kind. For one to be disgruntled, one would have to have been wounded, hurt, suffered a loss, in job, pay, position, title, or some other reason for disgruntlement; the accusation is leveled at me, and I'll state very plainly for the record that I have no reason for disgruntlement. I 'll correctly and truthfully state that I do not work for WGA. I made no other claims, nor can the cheerleaders claim otherwise. Threats to go personal, to out, to reveal only show your immature, low character (and I know who you are, too). I made no personal threats. The thread is about WGA, not about me; try to focus, if you can.

This subject is where it is right now because someone (not me) brought up the fact that no western global aircraft were moving. Most still aren't moving. Call that a raging success if you will, and celebrate it, but it's neither normal for a legitimate operation, nor a very good way to run a business. Those aircraft are not resting. They are not down simply because WGA favors good maintenance and will take all the time in the world to get it right. They're down because they're broken; the only other time WGA stops is when there's a lull in the business...and there's seldom a lull. WGA runs aircraft until they break, then keeps running them until they won't run. That's the western global way.

The problem is that things are always on the verge of turning around, getting better. Bandaid stop-the-hemmoraging pay fixes pop up from time to time. Certainly the latest improvements for crew are much needed. The goalposts move; the longevity bonus has been pushed back again. ESOP is a pipe dream.

Personally, I wish WGA the best. I sincerely hope that Neff pulls his aging head out and stops micromanaging, stops holding the company back, allows the sham "safety culture" to fade away, and a real just culture to take hold. It's always about promises...I have a bonus for you but I can't tell you what it is until you sign not one, but two nondisclosure agreements. The goalpost shrinks. So does the pilot body, and while it's not just due to maintenance, fixing the problem isn't as simple as throwing a few dollars at the crew. This discussion took place a few pages ago in this thread: if WGA offered a higher wage, it was said, it would be the place to go. No. Because WGA has a lot of problems, and paydoesn't fix them. It helps the bad medicine, but here's the thing: WGA's problems can ALL be fixed. They exist because of a corporate culture and top down micromanagement which prevents good people from doing the job that they want to do. WGA has some very good people. Some real experience. WGA is finding that the core, those who have seniority, and time, and who have followed these airplanes from one company to another as each folds and crumbles away, will stay. Not really loyal, but comfortable, and not anxious to start over. Most others, are bailing, if they can.

The core, those who have been there a long time, who have been with the airplane a long time, make Neff a LOT of money. They're great people, they can fly an an airplane, and they're professionals. They deserve better, but will probably never leave WGA so long as the ship still floats, and it's not love for or extreme loyalty to WGA. They endure, they put up with, and they operate in spite of, not for or because.

All those parked airplanes right now aren't parked altruistically. Think about it. Think really hard about it.