Western Global Airlines
#531
This bloated LARPer is trolling the threads of several airlines at the moment, telling people that their managers offered him $500 an hour just to manage us idiots. Pay him no mind. He is not one of us.
As far as actual WGA pilots go, I fly with a lot of them at K4 these days. I hope they can take what they learned from that miserable 36th Street mess, and explain to our pilots how much they are worth. Lord knows our MEC won't do it.
As far as actual WGA pilots go, I fly with a lot of them at K4 these days. I hope they can take what they learned from that miserable 36th Street mess, and explain to our pilots how much they are worth. Lord knows our MEC won't do it.
#532
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Position: MD-11
Posts: 62
You really want to go down that road, don't you?
You have a reading comprehension problem.
It doesn't matter what the source of information showing where those aircraft are and how long they've been there. Some have been grounded for six months. If you think you can show any of that information inaccurate, then do it. It was accurate at the time I posted it, given that some aircraft were in the air.
I do understand the difference between scheduled maintenance, and unscheduled maintenance, airworthy, and unairworthy.
WGA very much operates on a kick-the-can-down-the-road principle. Airplanes don't sit unless they actually have no business, or it's a heavy check, or they're broken, and unless they're at a maintenance base, if they're sitting for more than a few hours, or even more than a day or two, they're broken. Again, the western global way. You really want to go over that list in more detail?
It's irrelevant how many aircrraft a company keeps airworthy? Really? Did you actually think that out before you posted it? THINK.
You just posted that based on my theory, any aircraft that sits for more than a day is unairworthy. I said no such thing, but YOU just did. Speak for yourself, if you're capable. I speak very well for myself, and have no need for you to attribute your lies to me.
You call this a vendetta? Good god, no. You are so naive, then? If I had a vendetta, WGA would be out of business right now. I have no vendetta. Your compadre opened the door just now, all but daring a posting of the current state of the aircraft. Vendetta? Simple public facts; that's no vendetta. That's a posting of information which I have already noted can be obtained by anyone here.
Incheon isn't your maintenance base; mechanics can't bring parts or tools through the fence. They can't even get oxygen. Maintenance gets done there because it needs to get done, and any delays taken there are not scheduled maintenance. Likewise, aircraft sitting at LAX or ANC, are not there for scheduled maintenance, and aircraft that have been there for days, or weeks, are certainly not simply airworthy airplanes resting between flights. The comparison to FedEx by your buddy was idiotic, and he knew it, and you know it, too.
I have posted repeatedly stating quite clearly that I wish WGA the best; it has the capability of being something if Neff can stop doing what he's always done and run the company properly, starting with maintenance. Will you come here and state for the record that the maintenance is not deplorable? If you can say that, then you're either grossly ignorant, or a liar. Which? Nothing here is unfixable. WGA can fix any of the problems that have plagued them so long. WGA, as a micromanaged organization run from the top down with the same philosophy in every department, chooses not to fix those problems, because one man makes those choices, and the agenda is kick-the-can-down-the-road. Aircraft rolls hard left when the slats are deployed? No problem. Belittle the guy writting it up, then sign it off as "could not duplicate," and see if the next crew will write it up.
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There's no vendetta. If you think that posting in a thread on a web board is a "vendetta," then you've lived a happy, sheltered life.
This thread had been dormant for some time, remarkable given that all the other ACMI carrier's have had active threads, but this has been quiet. I posted a simple bit of public information, and got challenged for it. Fine. We'll look at the aircraft. Pull back the curtain and have a look. Apparently this offends you. It's a bit of a conundrum, you see: you can't really be offended when the simple facts and simple truth is printed using widely available public information, and yet keep telling the lies you do.
WGA doesn't have 72% of it's MD-11 fleet parked because that's the business model...except insofar as the business model is run the aircraft until they're broken, and only then fix something. WGA isn't parking 72% of the fleet because this makes good business sense, and because they have a lively preventative maintenance program and customer programs that have those aircraft parked. The damn things are broken. You know this. Stop playing spin doctor and speak the truth. You have a problem with that. So does your employer.
I was quite content to post none of this, until further was invited by your compadre. Do your arms ever get weary waving those pom-poms so vigorously? You feel good about yourself telling these lies?
Tell some more.
You have a reading comprehension problem.
It doesn't matter what the source of information showing where those aircraft are and how long they've been there. Some have been grounded for six months. If you think you can show any of that information inaccurate, then do it. It was accurate at the time I posted it, given that some aircraft were in the air.
I do understand the difference between scheduled maintenance, and unscheduled maintenance, airworthy, and unairworthy.
WGA very much operates on a kick-the-can-down-the-road principle. Airplanes don't sit unless they actually have no business, or it's a heavy check, or they're broken, and unless they're at a maintenance base, if they're sitting for more than a few hours, or even more than a day or two, they're broken. Again, the western global way. You really want to go over that list in more detail?
It's irrelevant how many aircrraft a company keeps airworthy? Really? Did you actually think that out before you posted it? THINK.
You just posted that based on my theory, any aircraft that sits for more than a day is unairworthy. I said no such thing, but YOU just did. Speak for yourself, if you're capable. I speak very well for myself, and have no need for you to attribute your lies to me.
You call this a vendetta? Good god, no. You are so naive, then? If I had a vendetta, WGA would be out of business right now. I have no vendetta. Your compadre opened the door just now, all but daring a posting of the current state of the aircraft. Vendetta? Simple public facts; that's no vendetta. That's a posting of information which I have already noted can be obtained by anyone here.
Incheon isn't your maintenance base; mechanics can't bring parts or tools through the fence. They can't even get oxygen. Maintenance gets done there because it needs to get done, and any delays taken there are not scheduled maintenance. Likewise, aircraft sitting at LAX or ANC, are not there for scheduled maintenance, and aircraft that have been there for days, or weeks, are certainly not simply airworthy airplanes resting between flights. The comparison to FedEx by your buddy was idiotic, and he knew it, and you know it, too.
I have posted repeatedly stating quite clearly that I wish WGA the best; it has the capability of being something if Neff can stop doing what he's always done and run the company properly, starting with maintenance. Will you come here and state for the record that the maintenance is not deplorable? If you can say that, then you're either grossly ignorant, or a liar. Which? Nothing here is unfixable. WGA can fix any of the problems that have plagued them so long. WGA, as a micromanaged organization run from the top down with the same philosophy in every department, chooses not to fix those problems, because one man makes those choices, and the agenda is kick-the-can-down-the-road. Aircraft rolls hard left when the slats are deployed? No problem. Belittle the guy writting it up, then sign it off as "could not duplicate," and see if the next crew will write it up.
ut
There's no vendetta. If you think that posting in a thread on a web board is a "vendetta," then you've lived a happy, sheltered life.
This thread had been dormant for some time, remarkable given that all the other ACMI carrier's have had active threads, but this has been quiet. I posted a simple bit of public information, and got challenged for it. Fine. We'll look at the aircraft. Pull back the curtain and have a look. Apparently this offends you. It's a bit of a conundrum, you see: you can't really be offended when the simple facts and simple truth is printed using widely available public information, and yet keep telling the lies you do.
WGA doesn't have 72% of it's MD-11 fleet parked because that's the business model...except insofar as the business model is run the aircraft until they're broken, and only then fix something. WGA isn't parking 72% of the fleet because this makes good business sense, and because they have a lively preventative maintenance program and customer programs that have those aircraft parked. The damn things are broken. You know this. Stop playing spin doctor and speak the truth. You have a problem with that. So does your employer.
I was quite content to post none of this, until further was invited by your compadre. Do your arms ever get weary waving those pom-poms so vigorously? You feel good about yourself telling these lies?
Tell some more.
2. “unless they're at a maintenance base, if they're sitting for more than a few hours, or even more than a day or two, they're broken.”
3. “You just posted that based on my theory, any aircraft that sits for more than a day is unairworthy. I said no such thing, but YOU just did. Speak for yourself, if you're capable. I speak very well for myself, and have no need for you to attribute your lies to me.”
These are all your quotes. You definitely did not say “unairworthy,” but you said broken. That’s the game that you play. Please notice that I don’t end my threads with insulting little quips, but your quite adept at doing that.
#534
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 77
This bloated LARPer is trolling the threads of several airlines at the moment, telling people that their managers offered him $500 an hour just to manage us idiots. Pay him no mind. He is not one of us.
As far as actual WGA pilots go, I fly with a lot of them at K4 these days. I hope they can take what they learned from that miserable 36th Street mess, and explain to our pilots how much they are worth. Lord knows our MEC won't do it.
As far as actual WGA pilots go, I fly with a lot of them at K4 these days. I hope they can take what they learned from that miserable 36th Street mess, and explain to our pilots how much they are worth. Lord knows our MEC won't do it.
- WGA is not based in Miami.
-I remember when back in the early 2000s K4 recruiters were coming to regional airlines offices trying to recruit, yet most of the folks would not even touch this company with a ten foot pole. You guys are doing great now, congrats, God bless, but let’s all get along and refrain from calling names, just because you finally have a decent contract (took like 15 years to get one ?) 👍🏼
#535
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 77
Perhaps because for some it’s not just about money ? No one is justifying anything. If you read the WGA thread carefully, it states the current salary and reasons to why some folks are working here. Some folks are asking questions and some WGA pilots are trying to give a straight forward informative reply. But pilots being pilots and we are back to “mine is better than yours” conversation 😂.
#536
If your having a great time and it meets YOUR priorities it’s the Best Choice for you. Never care what others think. Advice is advice and seems to be always free, but you only have one life. Make it enjoyable for you it’s your life! Cheers!
#537
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2021
Posts: 319
Perhaps because for some it’s not just about money ? No one is justifying anything. If you read the WGA thread carefully, it states the current salary and reasons to why some folks are working here. Some folks are asking questions and some WGA pilots are trying to give a straight forward informative reply. But pilots being pilots and we are back to “mine is better than yours” conversation 😂.
And it's not a mine is better than yours deal... WGA needs to join the party and it's pilots need to be fairly compensated.
#538
What is the most recent date that you witnessed “panels awash in deferral stickers”? Do you keep track of other airlines and comment on their performance? Why don’t you take a snapshot of FedEx’s fleet when 80% or more of it is on the ground because of the time of day, and post it with a negative inference in mind? We do take great pleasure in reading your posts and laughing at how serious you take yourself, so please keep it up. A few of us got a particular kick out of reading your explanation of Seinfeld’s Soup Nazi episode in another thread. It was hilarious, but I suggest you don’t apply for a job as a reviewer for TV guide or it’s modern day equivalent. Getting back on track, In over 6 years, I’ve never had an air turn back or diversion for other than weather. Statistically speaking, if this was the norm, I would have had my fair share by now. So, I will stop here before I write something that prompts you to report me to the moderator again. But thanks for the lesson on doffing and outing. In the meantime, please keep trolling and entertaining.
#539
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Position: MD-11
Posts: 62
Hold up, stop the press. You aren’t comparing WGA fleet being down for constant maintenance issues with Fed Ex fleet which sit on the ground awaiting for sorts to be completed… Bro, just stop. I know I. The winter time, I always -layer a game of wondering if I am going to see the same MD-11 s]I saw at the beginning of my trip sitting at the international terminal at the end of my trip. Or how many feet snow would have accumulated on the aircraft…..
#540
I think his point is valid unfortunately. My eye test and things I’ve heard validates those points. It’s not something I laugh about because I truly wonder long until the other shoe drop if WGA operations are seeing these kind of issues.
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