4dalulz

You're drawing from the same pool of pilots as every other airline. And WGA is seemingly well established in the same AMC and subservice segments that the other airlines mentioned. Finally, quite a wide gulf between being ij survival mode in the 2000s and the recent white hot economy in a tight labor market. Circling back to a previous point... why are you pigeon holding yourself into accepting less money when more is on the table?

80Z28Dude

What is the most recent date that you witnessed “panels awash in deferral stickers”? Do you keep track of other airlines and comment on their performance? Why don’t you take a snapshot of FedEx’s fleet when 80% or more of it is on the ground because of the time of day, and post it with a negative inference in mind? We do take great pleasure in reading your posts and laughing at how serious you take yourself, so please keep it up. A few of us got a particular kick out of reading your explanation of Seinfeld’s Soup Nazi episode in another thread. It was hilarious, but I suggest you don’t apply for a job as a reviewer for TV guide or it’s modern day equivalent. Getting back on track, In over 6 years, I’ve never had an air turn back or diversion for other than weather. Statistically speaking, if this was the norm, I would have had my fair share by now. So, I will stop here before I write something that prompts you to report me to the moderator again. But thanks for the lesson on doffing and outing. In the meantime, please keep trolling and entertaining.

80Z28Dude

You are missing a big clue here. Pilots are the main generators of revenue for their companies. If company X’s pilots are flying 90 block hours a month, and Company Y’s pilots are flying 60 block hours, how does the same pay for both work? We don’t work as hard for the most part. It works for me and many others. WGA is making money. What we are doing is working. Think a little deeper and consider why we are getting 777s. Do you think we are procuring them hoping to find work for them? I don’t think so. So if you want to fly a lot, do it and get paid more, you are paid for your productivity. I’ll probably live longer than you with my 60 hour schedule and have to suffer only making $300K a year.

Wingdeagle11

Well, this is an easy answer and I am just speaking for myself: money is not the top priority at this point of my life. It’s the quality of life of my choice, which may be different from many others. It’s about home basing, not having to travel on my days off, the challenge of being a part of a growing company with all it’s ups and downs and the choice of either taking it easy with 50-60 hours a month and plenty of free time when overseas or having the opportunity to work as much as I please. Again, just speaking for myself. One thing I do agree on: WGA needs to start paying more (!), but this will not happen if we all just jump ship and leave the company without pilots, so some of us are willing to stay and build something here. We all know it will not happen overnight and lots of patience is required.

JohnBurke

Few other operators have the deplorable level of maintenance seen at WGA.

When 80% of FedEx's fleet is on the ground, its because the fleet is airworthy and awaitng their next flight in a few hours. When the typical 70% (or higher) AOG rate for WGA applies, it's because the airplanes aren't airworthy. You know this.

You can deny this, but you'll be lying, and you know it.

Previously, the status of each airplane was shown to demonstrate the lie; those airplanes weren't simply resting between flights, and you know it. Your inference of FedEx's fleet, which is well maintained, is a straw-man fallacy: another lie.

Where are your airplanes, then?

N411SN, enroute to Incheonl from Chicago on August 27, diverted into Anchorage and sat there until October 15, when it was ferried to Shreveport. It hasn't moved since. Must be one of those fed-ex quality ships that's just waiting for the right moment, a few hours of down time before it flies the return leg, right?
N412SN is sitting in Huntsville, presumably airworthy, relatively speaking.
N415JN has been sitting in Incheon for three days. WGA airplanes don't sit in Incheon unless they're broken.
N435KD is the dearly departed, most likely to never be seen again. Still counting it as one of the fleet, though.
N512JN is airborne, enroute to LAX.
N513SN is sitting at LCK, though it had an air turnback at Anchorage four days ago.
N542KD is at TPE; heavy check
N543JN has been sitting at LAX for three days
N545JN is at TPE; heavy check.
N546JN had two diversions toward the end of December, and has been sitting in Shreveport since December 31.
N581JN has been sitting in Shreveport since March 27.
N630SN is a ghost, but still part of that "fleet".
N783SN is on the ground in Chicago, having arrived today. Going like gangbusters, it is.
N784SN arrived in Shreveport from Frankfurt on April 20th; destined to be the latest jewel in the fleet, if it does't get raped for parts in the meantime, like so many others.
N799JN has been sitting in Incheon for three days. See N415JN.
N804SN has been sitting at Ft. Myers since May 13.
N258SN is enroute to Hong Kong. It was recently out of service in Shreveport.
N344KD just arrived in Anchorage.
N356KD has been sitting in Anchorage since June 2nd.
N452SN is enroute to Chicago at the moment.

That's 20 airplanes on the roll, with 13 unavailable. WGA is having a banner day presently, with only 65% of the fleet grounded. So yeah..just like FedEx, right? Of the MD11 fleet, that's only four operational airplanes. WGA claims a fleet of 14 MD11's, which makes that a 28% operational fleet...or 72% out of service.

This isn't a special project of mine; you brought it up (again), so a quick visit to flightaware and flightradar24 is something anyone can do, quickly enough.

You were making a comparison between WGA's fleet, and Federal Express. Please, don't let me stop you. Go on.

Explain your wages offered in comparison, too. Remember, YOU introduced it. Please, go on.

If there's nothing intelligent to add, please keep throwing out non-sequitur references to irrelevant threads, or keep trying to muddy the water by introducing Seinfeld and the TV guide; it's what one does when one has nothing to offer, and it speaks volumes about you. Deny, dismiss, diminish. Which one will you try next? You were saying?

J3nkums

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Wingdeagle11

So you are using Radar24 and Flightaware to paint a picture of a company and it’s maintenance and operations ? Sorry to debunk your hard work collecting data. I suppose you understand the difference between aircraft on the ground due to scheduling, scheduled and unscheduled maintenance vs. not airworthy ? It’s completely irrelevant how many aircraft ANY company chooses to keep in the air at the same time. Everyone has a different business model, customers and schedules. Based on your theory, every WGA aircraft which is on the ground for more than one day is broken and not airworthy 😂.
You Sir are all about vendetta towards your former employer, despite claiming you are not.

JohnBurke

You really want to go down that road, don't you?

You have a reading comprehension problem.

It doesn't matter what the source of information showing where those aircraft are and how long they've been there. Some have been grounded for six months. If you think you can show any of that information inaccurate, then do it. It was accurate at the time I posted it, given that some aircraft were in the air.

I do understand the difference between scheduled maintenance, and unscheduled maintenance, airworthy, and unairworthy.

WGA very much operates on a kick-the-can-down-the-road principle. Airplanes don't sit unless they actually have no business, or it's a heavy check, or they're broken, and unless they're at a maintenance base, if they're sitting for more than a few hours, or even more than a day or two, they're broken. Again, the western global way. You really want to go over that list in more detail?

It's irrelevant how many aircrraft a company keeps airworthy? Really? Did you actually think that out before you posted it? THINK.

You just posted that based on my theory, any aircraft that sits for more than a day is unairworthy. I said no such thing, but YOU just did. Speak for yourself, if you're capable. I speak very well for myself, and have no need for you to attribute your lies to me.

You call this a vendetta? Good god, no. You are so naive, then? If I had a vendetta, WGA would be out of business right now. I have no vendetta. Your compadre opened the door just now, all but daring a posting of the current state of the aircraft. Vendetta? Simple public facts; that's no vendetta. That's a posting of information which I have already noted can be obtained by anyone here.

Incheon isn't your maintenance base; mechanics can't bring parts or tools through the fence. They can't even get oxygen. Maintenance gets done there because it needs to get done, and any delays taken there are not scheduled maintenance. Likewise, aircraft sitting at LAX or ANC, are not there for scheduled maintenance, and aircraft that have been there for days, or weeks, are certainly not simply airworthy airplanes resting between flights. The comparison to FedEx by your buddy was idiotic, and he knew it, and you know it, too.

I have posted repeatedly stating quite clearly that I wish WGA the best; it has the capability of being something if Neff can stop doing what he's always done and run the company properly, starting with maintenance. Will you come here and state for the record that the maintenance is not deplorable? If you can say that, then you're either grossly ignorant, or a liar. Which? Nothing here is unfixable. WGA can fix any of the problems that have plagued them so long. WGA, as a micromanaged organization run from the top down with the same philosophy in every department, chooses not to fix those problems, because one man makes those choices, and the agenda is kick-the-can-down-the-road. Aircraft rolls hard left when the slats are deployed? No problem. Belittle the guy writting it up, then sign it off as "could not duplicate," and see if the next crew will write it up.
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There's no vendetta. If you think that posting in a thread on a web board is a "vendetta," then you've lived a happy, sheltered life.

This thread had been dormant for some time, remarkable given that all the other ACMI carrier's have had active threads, but this has been quiet. I posted a simple bit of public information, and got challenged for it. Fine. We'll look at the aircraft. Pull back the curtain and have a look. Apparently this offends you. It's a bit of a conundrum, you see: you can't really be offended when the simple facts and simple truth is printed using widely available public information, and yet keep telling the lies you do.

WGA doesn't have 72% of it's MD-11 fleet parked because that's the business model...except insofar as the business model is run the aircraft until they're broken, and only then fix something. WGA isn't parking 72% of the fleet because this makes good business sense, and because they have a lively preventative maintenance program and customer programs that have those aircraft parked. The damn things are broken. You know this. Stop playing spin doctor and speak the truth. You have a problem with that. So does your employer.

I was quite content to post none of this, until further was invited by your compadre. Do your arms ever get weary waving those pom-poms so vigorously? You feel good about yourself telling these lies?

Tell some more.

Wingdeagle11

WOW, now that’s quite a tantrum LOL. Based on you trolling almost every possible thread on APC, lecturing, belittling, attacking and arguing with everyone here, this is no surprise. Based on your “behavior” here, I am sure the audience will decide who’s information is credible and who’s not. The status of the aircraft I posted is a recent one, there is no secret to why a specific aircraft is currently in TPE, LAX, ANC or SHV. You are also wrong in ICN not being a maintenance base. Things are not perfect, but are changing and have changed for the better with room for improvement for sure, but I am sure this is not what you would like to hear. Sorry to take so much time away from you trolling other threads. Very inconsiderate of me.

80Z28Dude

[QUOTE=JohnBurke;3438049]Few other operators have the deplorable level of maintenance seen at WGA.

When 80% of FedEx's fleet is on the ground, its because the fleet is airworthy and awaitng their next flight in a few hours. When the typical 70% (or higher) AOG rate for WGA applies, it's because the airplanes aren't airworthy. You know this.

You can deny this, but you'll be lying, and you know it.

Previously, the status of each airplane was shown to demonstrate the lie; those airplanes weren't simply resting between flights, and you know it. Your inference of FedEx's fleet, which is well maintained, is a straw-man fallacy: another lie.

Where are your airplanes, then?

N411SN, enroute to Incheonl from Chicago on August 27, diverted into Anchorage and sat there until October 15, when it was ferried to Shreveport. It hasn't moved since. Must be one of those fed-ex quality ships that's just waiting for the right moment, a few hours of down time before it flies the return leg, right?
N412SN is sitting in Huntsville, presumably airworthy, relatively speaking.
N415JN has been sitting in Incheon for three days. WGA airplanes don't sit in Incheon unless they're broken.
N435KD is the dearly departed, most likely to never be seen again. Still counting it as one of the fleet, though.
N512JN is airborne, enroute to LAX.
N513SN is sitting at LCK, though it had an air turnback at Anchorage four days ago.
N542KD is at TPE; heavy check
N543JN has been sitting at LAX for three days
N545JN is at TPE; heavy check.
N546JN had two diversions toward the end of December, and has been sitting in Shreveport since December 31.
N581JN has been sitting in Shreveport since March 27.
N630SN is a ghost, but still part of that "fleet".
N783SN is on the ground in Chicago, having arrived today. Going like gangbusters, it is.
N784SN arrived in Shreveport from Frankfurt on April 20th; destined to be the latest jewel in the fleet, if it does't get raped for parts in the meantime, like so many others.
N799JN has been sitting in Incheon for three days. See N415JN.
N804SN has been sitting at Ft. Myers since May 13.
N258SN is enroute to Hong Kong. It was recently out of service in Shreveport.
N344KD just arrived in Anchorage.
N356KD has been sitting in Anchorage since June 2nd.
N452SN is enroute to Chicago at the moment.

That's 20 airplanes on the roll, with 13 unavailable. WGA is having a banner day presently, with only 65% of the fleet grounded. So yeah..just like FedEx, right? Of the MD11 fleet, that's only four operational airplanes. WGA claims a fleet of 14 MD11's, which makes that a 28% operational fleet...or 72% out of service.

This isn't a special project of mine; you brought it up (again), so a quick visit to flightaware and flightradar24 is something anyone can do, quickly enough.

You were making a comparison between WGA's fleet, and Federal Express. Please, don't let me stop you. Go on.

Explain your wages offered in comparison, too. Remember, YOU introduced it. Please, go on.

If there's nothing intelligent to add, please keep throwing out non-sequitur references to irrelevant threads, or keep trying to muddy the water by introducing Seinfeld and the TV guide; it's what one does when one has nothing to offer, and it speaks volumes about you. Deny, dismiss, diminish. Which one will you try next? You were saying?[/QUOTE

Thanks for the explanation as to why FedEx aircraft are on the ground and your comprehensive research on our fleet. I know why FedEx airplanes are on the ground, as does anyone who read the thread. But you ran with a lot of line after hitting that bait. You called me out for “another” lie, after the straw man reference, but you didn’t clearly state a lie before that. You said I would be lying, but that doesn’t constitute a lie, because you really don’t know what I would say. So maybe you want to work on that instead of making assumptions. Regarding the fleet, 3 of the 4 747s are flying. Of the 16 MD-11s, you mention a ghost airplane and 2 heavy checks, So best case, we would have 13 Airworthy MD-11s available on average. I flew 412 to SHV on 21 April and I was surprised to only see 3 MD-11s there. 435, another hard broken airplane and 784, which had just arrived from FRA. Your list shows that I should have seen 5 aircraft according to the dates you show they arrived in SHV. You say there are 5 there now. I don’t care to waste my time researching it, but I doubt that some of them have been there as long as you say. 804 is in conformity in RSW. I flew 543 into LAX, there was only one DMI and the plan was to fix it there. You assume the 2 aircraft sitting are not airworthy, but do you know that for sure? Your assumptions support your assertion, so I guess that makes them facts. As long as one of your missions in life is to make snarky remarks about WGA, I will continue offering nothing and making unintelligent remarks.