kronan

A Sub trip is not like a revision. it is a Sub trip, a trip that he could decline for OTP. A revision happens after blockout, then the back end DH$ can change up/down depending on where the DH winds up being from.

trip was canx'd.....thus keeps the money.

pinseeker

Not exactly true. The trip was canx and he was put into sub. If he turned down the sub trip, he would lose guarantee and lose the bank money. By taking the trip, he keeps guarantee and the higher of the D/H money. Also, if he chooses OTP, he loses guarantee but can make it up at 125% and also loses D/H bank. His trip wasn't just canx, it was canx and he was placed into sub.

hyperone

Not to hijack the thread, but another deviation bank question. Which ticket value can you claim if you are sent a Corp Travel E-mail ticket before you deviate, with a fare higher than the published accepted fare? The published fare or the higher fare that CT actually booked before you deviated?
I know of one of our F/O's (no, not me) who had a $4000 Intl D/H ticket sent to him by CT, instead of the $2000 accepted fare. He spent the difference and now the auditors want the 2 grand back.
The ANC manager recently sent an e-mail that says "Second, the accepted fares are the accepted fares. Fly as scheduled and no affect. Deviate and the seat availability, the actual cost of a ticket that day for another pairing it just doesn't matter. You deviate, you get the published accepted fare for that pairing. It's listed on the pairing, it's published on the web. Again, be forewarned."
The CBA says in 8.C.2.a. "A pilot shall have a deviation bank established for each bid period. The value of the deviation bank shall equal the value of the scheduled deadhead tickets for trips flown during the bid period plus the value of any scheduled deadheads for recurrent training."
I know what the manager and the auditors think, but I'm wondering whether or not the F/O's has a chance if he files a grievance to get his money back.

FDXer

This has been beat to death before. No matter how much Global Travel's ticket is, you can only use the accepted fair for deviation money.

USMCFDX

If they book you a ticket that is more than the accepted fare that is the bank you get. Send the e-mail in with your expense report. I have done it more than once.

The new fare system is a floating number and they can not always get the fare predicted. If they send an e-mail with the scheduled DH then that is the fare I use. Another reason I do not deviate too early in VIPS.

"The value of the deviation bank shall equal the value of the scheduled deadhead tickets", they send you the fare with a scheduled DH that is you deviation bank. The contract does not say anything about an accepted fare number printed at the bottom of a pairing, it says the 'value of the scheduled deadhead'. If you deviate early, than yes you have to use the predicted fare.

FDXer

There was a FCIF about this a couple of years ago. Guys owed money because they used the actual ticket price of the scheduled ticket as their accepted fare when deviating. The only money that matters is the accepted fare of the original SCHEDULED d/h. If it costs $5000 more for the actual ticket but the accepted fare originally scheduled was only $250, if you deviate, you only get $250. You are correct with the contract language because the bank is established for the scheduled ticket (accepted fare) not by the ticket booked (actual fare). If you have any questions about travel bank money, ask you auditor. If you got away with something different, you are lucky and do not have my auditor.

USMCFDX

I did not get away with anything. I am living within the rules of the contract. I do not care what an FCIF says or a manager says. The contract is printed in black and white and it says scheduled, e-mail a crew member a scheduled fare that is what you get. It says my bank is the value of the scheduled fare, not some crystal ball number at the bottom of a pairing.

Hyperone, PM me and let me know who has the problem. It should be grieved if they are trying to make him pay, and I can prove by past practice it was done by the e-mail fare.

My guess is the above manager's quote is from MR in ANC. The arrogant dude seems to hate pilots and the only guy up there that I disliked. If I had a job that seemed to make me so unhappy I would find a new one.

FDXer

You might want to reread the contract specifically section 8.C.3.a.ii.....

ii. Air travel expenses shall be limited to the accepted fare
for coach class unless the deviation fl ight would qualify
for a higher class of service under Section 8.A.4.b.

Accepted fares are found in VIPS. It says accepted fare not scheduled. Is that black and white enough for you?

Jaxman187

You are right USMCFDX !!! You did not get away with anything. The problem is that the company has surreptitiously decided to change past practice via FCIF with this vital tidbit buried inside. I can't believe our union has not grieved and won this one! They do not even appear willing to fight it now!

Is it any wonder anyone missed this or missinterpreted this FCIF as no change. We were victimized by the sandwich principle where they sneak the $hi... in the sandwich. This FCIF got everyone to cheer about the company agreeing to pay for internet charges while at the same time the company laid the ground work to in the future publish whatever they want as accepted fares and make us stick to them. Via this FCIF they reinterpreted what "Scheduled" meant. The fare quote via email from corp travel means nothing or very little now..... It appears this internet charge benefit is being paid for at the back door through accepted fares.




FCIF 05-0315 EXPENSE REPORT HELP UPDATE (Admin)
Issue Date: 07/20/05 1508z
Source: Deborah Cole
Suspense: 12/15/05
Approved: Rich Lewis

Updated General Information on Travel Related Expense Reports:

1. In order to have your deviation bank SCHEDULED FARE adjusted, the
following procedures should apply:

a. The trip is revised or is an Xpairing and there is not an acceptable
fare. You should contact Global Travel and ask for a fare quote. If there
is an acceptable fare for your DH, you are only entitled to the acceptable
fare for deviation purposes.
b. The 'SCHEDULED' Ticket purchased with the USBank Visa Card or Personal
funds was issued at a higher rate and used/flown as scheduled.
c. The acceptable fare is higher due to a ticket issued through Global
Travel that is used/flown as scheduled.

2. ALL ORIGINAL receipts for expenses over $25.00 are required to be
submitted for Travel related expense reports, with name and employee
number noted on them.

a. Hotels- an original itemized folio is required to be submitted- NO
EXCEPTIONS.

b. Airline Tickets- personal fund reimbursements must have ticket receipt
and boarding pass. A USBank/Visa purchased airline ticket requires a
receipt and/or a boarding pass.

c. Internet charges- the daily allowable limit for internet charge
reimbursement is $25.00 per day maximum during a SCHEDULED LAYOVER HOTEL.
Receipts/paid hotel folios must be submitted for all internet charges in
order to be reimbursed.

d. Phone call charges- A receipt should be submitted for Phone call
charges. If you do not have a receipt, the phone numbers called need to
be reference on your expense report.

Updated General information for Non-Travel Related Expense Reports:

1. ALL ORIGINAL receipts are required for non-travel submittals.

a. Uniforms- need original itemized receipt (white copy) from Uniform
Solutions. All other vendor receipts must list items purchased.

b. FAA- need original itemized receipt which bears the name, address and
phone number of the Doctor/Physician. The exception is physicals performed
by an existing, pre-approved physician who direct bills Fedex. That list
can be obtained by email at [email protected].

c. Passports- to be reimbursed for expediting fees, you must have PRE-
APPROVAL by your ACP. The $67 passport fee can be reimbursed with a
receipt or a copy of your passport. Receipts are required for passport
photos.

NON-COMPLIANCE REPORTS: Crew members are notified by email if there are
any records requiring an expense report to be filed. Crew members receive
a copy of their USBank/Visa statement in the mail monthly. A crew member
has a 30 day window to submit reports online after the bid month closes.
If the report is not submitted, Crew Audit will take appropriate action,
which may require a payroll deduction for amounts not validated or
exceeding the value of the crew members' deviation bank.







I have been here 9 years. I have done just what you did all of that time and I just recently got burned on this for in excess of $500 after the company booked me a ticket for twice the accepted fare(two weeks out) and I deviated assuming things were as they had been in the past. I am not looking for a fight but FDXer might be management trying to send the message that this is the way things have always been done because this is the first time I have seen this topic has come up on this board in the year I have been lurking.

FDXLAG

Sounds like you are volunteering to grieve this. Good luck.