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03-23-2018, 03:29 AM
#101
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 62
If everyone feels that way fine
Call us scabs, dont let us on your JS don’t hire ATI pilots at real jobs. Go ahead. No one cares. You want a seniorioty list so you can post all of our names? May even add us to the “secret” list by ALL MEANS go for it
Call us scabs, dont let us on your JS don’t hire ATI pilots at real jobs. Go ahead. No one cares. You want a seniorioty list so you can post all of our names? May even add us to the “secret” list by ALL MEANS go for it
03-23-2018, 05:25 AM
#103
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,411
Originally Posted by AQPABC
Yet 70% of you voted this embarrassment in.
Think about when your parents lectured you on and on about a decision that you made. Remember how you perceived that. This is what is happening here.
Time to move onto another subject.
I have asked the moderator to please shut this down. There is not one bit of productive dialogue going on here.
Thank you.
03-23-2018, 06:13 AM
#105
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: Inside your house
Posts: 28
Originally Posted by OverGMcGee
Was not I that made stupid comments. It was your abx partner that claimed I couldn’t ride the same bus.
Truth be known we make more now. More hard facts to swallow is this isnt UPS it isn’t FEDEX its surely not Delta. If you desire that kind of work and pay I suggest anyone apply there.
This is ACMI the salaries here will never match mainline. Just accept it. We just received the second biggest raise in alpa history and we’re being hounded for it. How stupid is that.
Truth be known we make more now. More hard facts to swallow is this isnt UPS it isn’t FEDEX its surely not Delta. If you desire that kind of work and pay I suggest anyone apply there.
This is ACMI the salaries here will never match mainline. Just accept it. We just received the second biggest raise in alpa history and we’re being hounded for it. How stupid is that.
03-23-2018, 06:21 AM
#106
El Capitan
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 615
Actually I would prefer to keep this thread open. It’s one of the few online communications between ABX and ATI pilots.
ATI pilots voted in a substandard contract which was their right to do. Do agree with it? No
Is it going to change the odds of ABX getting a decent contract? Yes
The reality is it’s a **** sandwich and everyone’s going to have to take a bite. Obviously the ABX pilots bargaining position has been weakened. I am not sure by how much.
As time goes on I have a feeling that ATI pilots will be less enthusiastic about their new contract...
ATI pilots voted in a substandard contract which was their right to do. Do agree with it? No
Is it going to change the odds of ABX getting a decent contract? Yes
The reality is it’s a **** sandwich and everyone’s going to have to take a bite. Obviously the ABX pilots bargaining position has been weakened. I am not sure by how much.
As time goes on I have a feeling that ATI pilots will be less enthusiastic about their new contract...
03-23-2018, 06:43 AM
#107
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Fetal and Fatigued
Posts: 350
Originally Posted by Kougarok
Actually I would prefer to keep this thread open. It’s one of the few online communications between ABX and ATI pilots.
Yeah, I'm not sure exactly who died and made a Kalitta guy God in an ATI thread.
03-23-2018, 07:33 AM
#108
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,411
Originally Posted by Jurassic Jet
Yeah, I'm not sure exactly who died and made a Kalitta guy God in an ATI thread.
1. Creating animosity between the groups serves neither interest.
2. Because people tend to believe what they read on the internet, this low pay theme becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when the next pilot group votes on a concessionairy contract.
3. Management reads these things and will continue the hard stand because they know it is working.
4. Many more things.
Notice all of the above items do absolutely nothing to promote a better quality of life for our fellow pilots, including yourself. Worse case, it results in a physical altercation on an aircraft where multiple inviduals lose careers. Best case, it results in substandard contracts for ever more as management sits back and laughs at your petty fighting.
God? No. A unemotional voice of reason? Maybe.
03-23-2018, 08:08 AM
#109
El Capitan
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 615
Originally Posted by maxjet
As usual your short sighted viewpoint comes through. A more mature individual would realize several things.
1. Creating animosity between the groups serves neither interest.
2. Because people tend to believe what they read on the internet, this low pay theme becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when the next pilot group votes on a concessionairy contract.
3. Management reads these things and will continue the hard stand because they know it is working.
4. Many more things.
Notice all of the above items do absolutely nothing to promote a better quality of life for our fellow pilots, including yourself. Worse case, it results in a physical altercation on an aircraft where multiple inviduals lose careers. Best case, it results in substandard contracts for ever more as management sits back and laughs at your petty fighting.
God? No. A unemotional voice of reason? Maybe.
1. Creating animosity between the groups serves neither interest.
2. Because people tend to believe what they read on the internet, this low pay theme becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when the next pilot group votes on a concessionairy contract.
3. Management reads these things and will continue the hard stand because they know it is working.
4. Many more things.
Notice all of the above items do absolutely nothing to promote a better quality of life for our fellow pilots, including yourself. Worse case, it results in a physical altercation on an aircraft where multiple inviduals lose careers. Best case, it results in substandard contracts for ever more as management sits back and laughs at your petty fighting.
God? No. A unemotional voice of reason? Maybe.
03-23-2018, 08:49 AM
#110
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Capt
Posts: 3,215
I think the only good thing from this situation, as far as future contracts, for everyone else in ACMI, as well as ATI, is the Pilot Shortage. Because it is steadily increasing, it is highly likely that ATSG mgmt will have to come back to ATI pilots well before the contract ends, and give them a better offer, because their attrition will be high, and they will have a hard time getting new hires with this new contract.
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