Was not I that made stupid comments. It was your abx partner that claimed I couldn’t ride the same bus.

Truth be known we make more now. More hard facts to swallow is this isnt UPS it isn’t FEDEX its surely not Delta. If you desire that kind of work and pay I suggest anyone apply there.

This is ACMI the salaries here will never match mainline. Just accept it. We just received the second biggest raise in alpa history and we’re being hounded for it. How stupid is that.

 

Not sure I could have said this as diplomatically as you...or wanted too...but thanks
And now my opinion...ATI has set all ACMI carriers back 5+years and it should not be forgotten or forgiven.

 

It isn't stupid at all. What IS STUPID is accepting anything less than what Kalitta received over 1 year ago and less than Omni is about to receive.

Work rules matter. Quality of Life matters. Retirement matters.

As far as your comment....This is ACMI the salaries will never match mainline. As long as there a scabs and sellouts....your right.

You personally may not be a scab, BUT YOU SOLD OUT ALL ACMI PILOTS. You deserve nothing less than complete and utter disgust.

 

Once again you make the mistake in thinking that it is only ABX folks who are upset, it is the whole ACMI world, (Atlas, Kalitta, Southern, etc). The hard work that the rest of the ACMI industry has done in order to bring this portion of the profession out of the sewer has been set back greatly.

Right now no one is necessarily talking mainline or UPS money, but they are talking Kalitta/Omni money and quality of life. You failed to achieve that mark and that is what people are talking about. So next time please done't mention a comparison with the majors or UPS/Fed Ex. What you need to say is that evidently ATI pilots can never hope to achieve those high wages like Omni and Kalitta.

As far as percentage increase, that is a meaningless number. If you make $10 an hour and you get a 200% increase you still only making $30 an hour. It is the actual dollars that matter not the percentage increase. You also say this is the second biggest increase in the history of ALPA and yet it fell behind the last 2 contracts signed, (Kalitta and Omni), both not negotiated by ALPA...things that make you go humm!

 

That’s like saying they didn’t swallow. Just sayin.

 

Guess you are calling yourself a second class pilot because you are not damanding equal wages as your legacy colligues are. Are you also a second class citizen? Guess in your own mind you are not good enough to be pilot thats worth paying for! The funny thing is everyone else in the industry thought you deserve better.. I guess you know your own worth!!

 

Yup, that way of thinking got them where they are. One would think they will simply be an outlier on the ACMI payscale ranges going forward.

 

They had two choices. Aye or Nay. Some of them said Nay. Sadly, more of them didn't. My personal opinion is that those who said Aye made a big mistake, and one that, yes, is going to affect everyone who flies in the same segment. Hell, probably even those who fly in other segments. But when this juvenile rhetoric gets dialed up to jump-seat wars and "you took food out of my kids' mouths", it plays directly in to the hands of the union-busting law firms. Every time one union pilot threatens another union pilot, they rub their little rat-claws together and dream of how they're going to use the whipsaw to buy another Ferrari or ice sculpture the next time there's a contract to be signed. The ONLY way Organized Labor works is with Solidarity. Petty pursefights with each other is EXACTLY what they want. DENY that to them.

Or so I would suggest, anyway. *shrug* It's up to you to decide how to comport yourself and what's in your best interests. Like I said, I think the contract is crap and it's a shame it was voted in. But that's done. Now what?

 

You mean Solidarity like crossing a picket line?

 

I have to laugh at the infighting between you guys. A year ago Atlas was the whipping boy. The year before it was Southern. Before that Kalitta.

If you believe you are going to get solidarity between competing airlines for the same contracts you are mistaken. If you think you are going to get the same money as Fedex, UPS or any of the big 4 pax carriers you are even more mistaken. It takes a company making billions in profits for any of that to trickle down to the pilots.

I follow these threads because I started out in the freight world and I had connections to some of these carriers. I had friends at Emery, DHL, Transcon, Kalitta, ATI and I actually interviewed at ABX back in 1984. After seeing how the ACMI world eats its young I came to the conclusion that although there will always be a need for these carriers, they will always be chasing the same contracts and fighting each other for the same scraps.

Calling other pilot groups sellout and scabs is just wrong. Each group makes the decisions that are best for their pilot group. Each negotiating committee spends hundreds of hours trying to nail every dime they can out of the company. Teamsters or ALPA, the background support from the National Union obtains the best information possible for the companies financials and the ability of the company to pay the contract.

So ATI did not live up to your expectations. Too bad, because it did for 70% of the ATI Pilots. Come down off your high horse. Every pilot group that has been polluting these threads with crap has been on the bottom of the pile. None of you are exactly leading the way here. Be glad for the gains that have been made and be glad that at least the ATI guys and the Omni pilots will be making better money than they were a year ago.