Ati ta passed
03-21-2018, 06:38 PM
#51
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 67
It seemed like only yesterday we were all talking about ACMI guys sticking together. It’s easy to say hold out for better and vote it down when you are clearing twice what ATI pilots do every pay check while you hold out and negotiate for the next record setting contract.
Did ATI raise the bar like K4 and and Omni? No. But I can tell you this. In 3 years when that contract becomes amendable there will be a lot more guys looking for that “BMW” money. Ati has been riding the bus until today. So any vehicle is welcome. It’s gonna be hard to convince FO’s and jr captains to vote in a crap contract in 3 years because upgrades will no longer be under the 2 yr mark by then. And if they are good for all those guys that made it out.
I have no doubt management had a lot more money off the table (maybe ABX) will find it. And good on them if they do. A rising tide lifts all ships.
Can’t we all just get along.
Did ATI raise the bar like K4 and and Omni? No. But I can tell you this. In 3 years when that contract becomes amendable there will be a lot more guys looking for that “BMW” money. Ati has been riding the bus until today. So any vehicle is welcome. It’s gonna be hard to convince FO’s and jr captains to vote in a crap contract in 3 years because upgrades will no longer be under the 2 yr mark by then. And if they are good for all those guys that made it out.
I have no doubt management had a lot more money off the table (maybe ABX) will find it. And good on them if they do. A rising tide lifts all ships.
Can’t we all just get along.
03-21-2018, 08:08 PM
#52
On Reserve
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 17
Originally Posted by Asci
It seemed like only yesterday we were all talking about ACMI guys sticking together. It’s easy to say hold out for better and vote it down when you are clearing twice what ATI pilots do every pay check while you hold out and negotiate for the next record setting contract.
Did ATI raise the bar like K4 and and Omni? No. But I can tell you this. In 3 years when that contract becomes amendable there will be a lot more guys looking for that “BMW” money. Ati has been riding the bus until today. So any vehicle is welcome. It’s gonna be hard to convince FO’s and jr captains to vote in a crap contract in 3 years because upgrades will no longer be under the 2 yr mark by then. And if they are good for all those guys that made it out.
I have no doubt management had a lot more money off the table (maybe ABX) will find it. And good on them if they do. A rising tide lifts all ships.
Can’t we all just get along.
Did ATI raise the bar like K4 and and Omni? No. But I can tell you this. In 3 years when that contract becomes amendable there will be a lot more guys looking for that “BMW” money. Ati has been riding the bus until today. So any vehicle is welcome. It’s gonna be hard to convince FO’s and jr captains to vote in a crap contract in 3 years because upgrades will no longer be under the 2 yr mark by then. And if they are good for all those guys that made it out.
I have no doubt management had a lot more money off the table (maybe ABX) will find it. And good on them if they do. A rising tide lifts all ships.
Can’t we all just get along.
Ford & Harrison just punked all of you and you haven’t realized it yet.
No doubt hollow promises abound.
03-21-2018, 10:07 PM
#54
El Capitan
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 615
Originally Posted by Nope1000
In 3 years when this contract becomes amendable you will have absolutely no mechanism to bring your management back to the table. From what I am told you have no retro pay and threw away the cola you had. This effectively has become a 6-8 year contract.
Ford & Harrison just punked all of you and you haven’t realized it yet.
No doubt hollow promises abound.
Ford & Harrison just punked all of you and you haven’t realized it yet.
No doubt hollow promises abound.
This was a very shortsighted contract.
03-22-2018, 12:59 AM
#55
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,236
Originally Posted by tiredofjrm
JH and JV are not laughing. It passed by 70%!! They are ****ed. They gave away too much.....
Why you would vote in 6% 401K match and no retro pay is beyond me??
Then again it looks like you would have taken 3%.
Why you would vote in 6% 401K match and no retro pay is beyond me??
Then again it looks like you would have taken 3%.
03-22-2018, 01:57 AM
#56
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Capt
Posts: 3,215
Originally Posted by Out Of Trim
Please forgive me for sounding naive, but I know basically nothing about the history of your airline. I keep hearing these Mesa references and we all know the history of that place and it’s pilot group. Are these just off-handed analogies being made here OR is there actually a significant percentage of your pilots who really are ex-Mesa? Not trying to stir up any crap here ... just curious. I was at Mesa when their most recent disappointing contract was voted in. So I left. Sometimes that’s about all you can do. For those of you who may now opt to take that same path and “vote with your feet” (as we were so often encouraged to do at Mesa), I wish you the best of luck.
ABX went on strike and it was honored by all the DHL/Teamsters airlines. Some ATI pilots crossed the pocket line and flew struck freight.
ABX has a much better contract than ATI has.
ABX is in contract negotiations, and rejected payrates that were about the same as the rates that ATI accepted.
03-22-2018, 02:03 AM
#57
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Capt
Posts: 3,215
Originally Posted by LRSRanger
I’m considering a move to a supplemental carrier instead of a regional. As I look at all the different operators none of them look all that great. So what exactly makes the ATI contract worse than any of the others? I know a guy at ATI and he said it’s a better contract than Kilatta, with better work rules. So educate me, why all the heartburn?
Kalitta
ABX
Atlas
ATI/Southern.
ATSG owns ABX and ATI.
Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings owns Atlas and Southern.
There is no point in going to Southern, as Atlas is desperately hiring. If you are offered a classdate for Southern, just tell Atlas HR you will wait for the next Atlas class, which may be days away, with the no-shows Atlas is experiencing.
ABX is also having no-shows.
I would not recommend ATI or Southern to anyone.
03-22-2018, 05:44 AM
#59
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 64
Originally Posted by OverGMcGee
Actually I may plant my rump on your JS and laugh about your pay.
I’m just an FO, but I promise that any airplane that I operate will not move if you bring that kind of attitude into my cockpit. Enjoy your Prime Air bag tags, your lousy retirement, and the pride you have taken in taking the crumbs that JH and JV brushed off the table to feed you dogs.
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