727CA

True, but there's a lot of Reserve lines that everybody bids last, it's pretty easy to get which half of the month you want.
By the time you're senior enough to get two weeks of vacation, you'll be senior enough to definitely hold whichever side of the month you want.

Kougarok

When do you get start getting two weeks? Douche tag by the way.

nitefr8dog

What you are hiring into at ATI is a corporate culture that believes they are worth less than their fellow pilots. They have been told this by JV and they believe it! We heard many times that the senior crew members did not want single carrier because of the tough training at ABX. Lets not forget JV convinced the 12 yr+ crewmembers to agree to a 3% pay raise to not negotiate a new contract until they could capture more Amazon flying. So basically the junior crewmembers paid for the additional flying in the form of no pay raise/b scale. After ATSG made possibly the worst business decision in Airborne's history to buy ATI/Capitol...and BAX folded ATI/Capitol were worth nothing. Flying old clapped out DC8s and 727s nobody wanted ATSG refleeted the combined airlines with revenue from its profitable airline ABX. Why?? Because ATI employed pilots that could not get hired elsewhere and would work for scab wages. ATI's response was to cross our picket line being the only major US based carrier to cross. Then signed a horible contract only looking at a dinky pay raise when everything was available as a combined pilot group. So to answer your question...yes. A new hire at ATI would be working at a company that has made bad decisions and incompetence a requirement.

Littlebird

Capital Holdings and CAM, you know the leasing company that makes all the money and where a good majority of aircraft will be coming from in the future, was sold to ATSG when they formed the new holding group. ATI had all the Lucrative DOD runs. Without CAM ATSG would not exist silly boy. Do you fly CAM owned aircraft? Well do you grumpy boy?

nitefr8dog

Actually no.....ABX aircraft were transferred to CAM without being purchased ( no money was paid to ABX ) which are still considered ABX assets by the PBGC....which could use the aircraft for pension liabilities. Unlike ATI which has no assets now do they grumpy boy? Also the only aircraft CAM had that were not smashed into beer cans after ATSG purchased CAM were ABX 767s. Everything else was nothing but junk...grumpy boy!

midnightshuttle

Ive been here a few years and can say thats UTTER horse $&R^

Not long ago I few with a senior captain out of PHX that lost his vacation and he was 20+yrs. He ended up calling in sick.


NEXT

Go get another Crapital buddy and maybe a true blue legacy or two... and come up with another post.

Go show your bag tag to the Amazon reps in ILN next time your in for training. 2nd floor take the stairs up by where scheduling was.

atpcliff

This is how it used to be at Atlas. Then, we signed an LOA so if you want your vacation AND your days off, you automatically get both, regardless of your seniority. Also, if you have less than 4 days between your vacation days, and your work days, you automatically get those days off in addition.

If you have two weeks off in a month, you can get the whole month off, if you want that, regardless of the length of the month/days off/vacation days, etc. Some pilots have worked their schedule to get two months in a row off, including two months off over the summer.

nitefr8dog

I am sure it's comforting knowing at anytime..ATI aircraft could be transferred to ABX but the same cannot be said for ABX aircraft. That...would have been something nice to have in a new contract. Just saying if you guys were thinking about scope language...ooops wait a minute that ship has sailed.

Littlebird

Yes, a lot of ships have sailed. Enjoy your grumpiness! Haha

B727DRVR

Some good info... We're starting to get a little thread drift here once again, but good info all the same.

Still no one has addressed the schedule, KCM, Training, etc. And how many posting are actually ATI? Just wondering....