Abx new hire
12-17-2018, 09:31 AM
#151
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Position: 767 Newby
Posts: 25
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I posted these thoughts in reply to a potential new hire's questions back in July. They are still valid today!
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I had not posted much at all about ABX Air during my two year tenure. And, I wanted to wait for a while to let any emotion drain out before commenting.
The OP asked for cogent thoughts on if he should accept a position with ABX Air. My direct reply? NO! It is not worth the harassment and attack on your morale, and lifestyle!
I was 25 years with an ACMI carrier, so this is not my first trip to the rodeo with companies such as ABX Air. Hopefully, that allows me to comment with some understanding.
Most of it has been covered in previous posts. So, I will not belabor the points. ABX got a new V.P. of Operations about a year ago. While my opinion always remained guarded, it seemed as if he really did want to heal the much salted wounds and hopefully still does. IMHO, he is being constrained by Soaper, and Hete as to what he can and cannot do. When he came to ABX, he took time to come to the Hub and spent his nights talking to the pilot group, both junior and senior. I told him this...In my 25+ years of service in ACMI, ABX Air is without doubt the most toxic, poisoned corporate environment that I had experienced. I was the NG, and expected to be treated as such. However, it was shocking to me to witness the disdain that the personnel in the Crystal Tower at ILN held for the pilot group as a whole. Flt Ops management was waiting with glee for the slightest misstep by a pilot giving them reason to mete out discipline
To any aviator needing to find a new gig, I would tell them to pass on ABX Air at all cost. It is simply not worth the heartache when you could focus your efforts on other opportunities. Two years at ABX Air was enough to make me abandon 27 years of 121 ACMI for a Pt. 91 gig. I wish the best for all the ABX crewmembers. But, my tea leaves were telling me that it is not a place that one wants to occupy the lower part of the seniority list.
It is said that one should always end on a positive, and that I will. The legacy Airborne pilots could not have been a better group to work with. Knowledgable, professional (I hate that term), and for the 99% great to spend the grueling hours on the flight deck and layovers with. Also, the check airmen, and support staff in the training dept. are as good as one could possibly ask for.
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I had not posted much at all about ABX Air during my two year tenure. And, I wanted to wait for a while to let any emotion drain out before commenting.
The OP asked for cogent thoughts on if he should accept a position with ABX Air. My direct reply? NO! It is not worth the harassment and attack on your morale, and lifestyle!
I was 25 years with an ACMI carrier, so this is not my first trip to the rodeo with companies such as ABX Air. Hopefully, that allows me to comment with some understanding.
Most of it has been covered in previous posts. So, I will not belabor the points. ABX got a new V.P. of Operations about a year ago. While my opinion always remained guarded, it seemed as if he really did want to heal the much salted wounds and hopefully still does. IMHO, he is being constrained by Soaper, and Hete as to what he can and cannot do. When he came to ABX, he took time to come to the Hub and spent his nights talking to the pilot group, both junior and senior. I told him this...In my 25+ years of service in ACMI, ABX Air is without doubt the most toxic, poisoned corporate environment that I had experienced. I was the NG, and expected to be treated as such. However, it was shocking to me to witness the disdain that the personnel in the Crystal Tower at ILN held for the pilot group as a whole. Flt Ops management was waiting with glee for the slightest misstep by a pilot giving them reason to mete out discipline
To any aviator needing to find a new gig, I would tell them to pass on ABX Air at all cost. It is simply not worth the heartache when you could focus your efforts on other opportunities. Two years at ABX Air was enough to make me abandon 27 years of 121 ACMI for a Pt. 91 gig. I wish the best for all the ABX crewmembers. But, my tea leaves were telling me that it is not a place that one wants to occupy the lower part of the seniority list.
It is said that one should always end on a positive, and that I will. The legacy Airborne pilots could not have been a better group to work with. Knowledgable, professional (I hate that term), and for the 99% great to spend the grueling hours on the flight deck and layovers with. Also, the check airmen, and support staff in the training dept. are as good as one could possibly ask for.
12-22-2018, 01:03 AM
#157
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2018
Posts: 160
Originally Posted by 741waskipper
I posted these thoughts in reply to a potential new hire's questions back in July. They are still valid today!
************************************************** *****
I had not posted much at all about ABX Air during my two year tenure. And, I wanted to wait for a while to let any emotion drain out before commenting.
The OP asked for cogent thoughts on if he should accept a position with ABX Air. My direct reply? NO! It is not worth the harassment and attack on your morale, and lifestyle!
I was 25 years with an ACMI carrier, so this is not my first trip to the rodeo with companies such as ABX Air. Hopefully, that allows me to comment with some understanding.
Most of it has been covered in previous posts. So, I will not belabor the points. ABX got a new V.P. of Operations about a year ago. While my opinion always remained guarded, it seemed as if he really did want to heal the much salted wounds and hopefully still does. IMHO, he is being constrained by Soaper, and Hete as to what he can and cannot do. When he came to ABX, he took time to come to the Hub and spent his nights talking to the pilot group, both junior and senior. I told him this...In my 25+ years of service in ACMI, ABX Air is without doubt the most toxic, poisoned corporate environment that I had experienced. I was the NG, and expected to be treated as such. However, it was shocking to me to witness the disdain that the personnel in the Crystal Tower at ILN held for the pilot group as a whole. Flt Ops management was waiting with glee for the slightest misstep by a pilot giving them reason to mete out discipline
To any aviator needing to find a new gig, I would tell them to pass on ABX Air at all cost. It is simply not worth the heartache when you could focus your efforts on other opportunities. Two years at ABX Air was enough to make me abandon 27 years of 121 ACMI for a Pt. 91 gig. I wish the best for all the ABX crewmembers. But, my tea leaves were telling me that it is not a place that one wants to occupy the lower part of the seniority list.
It is said that one should always end on a positive, and that I will. The legacy Airborne pilots could not have been a better group to work with. Knowledgable, professional (I hate that term), and for the 99% great to spend the grueling hours on the flight deck and layovers with. Also, the check airmen, and support staff in the training dept. are as good as one could possibly ask for.
************************************************** *****
I had not posted much at all about ABX Air during my two year tenure. And, I wanted to wait for a while to let any emotion drain out before commenting.
The OP asked for cogent thoughts on if he should accept a position with ABX Air. My direct reply? NO! It is not worth the harassment and attack on your morale, and lifestyle!
I was 25 years with an ACMI carrier, so this is not my first trip to the rodeo with companies such as ABX Air. Hopefully, that allows me to comment with some understanding.
Most of it has been covered in previous posts. So, I will not belabor the points. ABX got a new V.P. of Operations about a year ago. While my opinion always remained guarded, it seemed as if he really did want to heal the much salted wounds and hopefully still does. IMHO, he is being constrained by Soaper, and Hete as to what he can and cannot do. When he came to ABX, he took time to come to the Hub and spent his nights talking to the pilot group, both junior and senior. I told him this...In my 25+ years of service in ACMI, ABX Air is without doubt the most toxic, poisoned corporate environment that I had experienced. I was the NG, and expected to be treated as such. However, it was shocking to me to witness the disdain that the personnel in the Crystal Tower at ILN held for the pilot group as a whole. Flt Ops management was waiting with glee for the slightest misstep by a pilot giving them reason to mete out discipline
To any aviator needing to find a new gig, I would tell them to pass on ABX Air at all cost. It is simply not worth the heartache when you could focus your efforts on other opportunities. Two years at ABX Air was enough to make me abandon 27 years of 121 ACMI for a Pt. 91 gig. I wish the best for all the ABX crewmembers. But, my tea leaves were telling me that it is not a place that one wants to occupy the lower part of the seniority list.
It is said that one should always end on a positive, and that I will. The legacy Airborne pilots could not have been a better group to work with. Knowledgable, professional (I hate that term), and for the 99% great to spend the grueling hours on the flight deck and layovers with. Also, the check airmen, and support staff in the training dept. are as good as one could possibly ask for.
12-22-2018, 03:54 AM
#158
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,815
Originally Posted by ACMItrash
How many quit or got fired this week? Heard one just went awol and nobody knows where he went. Called in sick and never came back. Maybe someday they might pay enough where people actually care if they work for abx.
12-22-2018, 06:36 AM
#159
On Reserve Forever
Joined APC: Sep 2009
Position: Would you like fries with that gear, sir?
Posts: 270
Originally Posted by ACMItrash
How many quit or got fired this week? Heard one just went awol and nobody knows where he went. Called in sick and never came back. Maybe someday they might pay enough where people actually care if they work for abx.
Probably a handful. But these new guys are coming on property, taking one good look at reserve, and just become done. Can’t say they weren’t warned. But this company needs some major adjustments to reserve life if they want to keep everyone on reserve. Next month, people that have almost always have been line holders are now perhaps going to be on reserve indefinitely. Look at real companies. People are on reserve for maybe 6 months and that is the end of their sentence.
Bldg 6 next month will become...well look at homeless shelters and refugee camps, that should give you an idea.
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12-23-2018, 10:48 AM
#160
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Position: 767 Captain
Posts: 31
ABX/Hete=Eastern/Lorenzo
If any of you really look at this its simply just like what Lorenzo did with Eastern in the 80's.
He formed a parent company ATSG. Then subsidiaries....CAM, AMES, ATI, ABX.
Now CAM leases to everyone and the profits come from the top. He whipsaws everyone against each other to create labor conflict. He has one airline that will cross a picket line.
With Amazon now wanting to grow he plays everyone against each other ..... or tries to anyway.
In the latest 20 AA aircraft acquisition it states that OMNI will get aircraft...hmmmm I wonder if now ATI can see whats happening to them as well?
Bottom line.....ABX looks like Eastern and we all know how that worked out....
He formed a parent company ATSG. Then subsidiaries....CAM, AMES, ATI, ABX.
Now CAM leases to everyone and the profits come from the top. He whipsaws everyone against each other to create labor conflict. He has one airline that will cross a picket line.
With Amazon now wanting to grow he plays everyone against each other ..... or tries to anyway.
In the latest 20 AA aircraft acquisition it states that OMNI will get aircraft...hmmmm I wonder if now ATI can see whats happening to them as well?
Bottom line.....ABX looks like Eastern and we all know how that worked out....
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