TonyC

You're right -- I don't have to listen to you.

I have the facts to support me.







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TonyC

Anyone who thinks the differences are subtle doesn't know the airplanes.




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RedeyeAV8r

I didn't say anything about wanting a different type rating.
I was referring to Bid Packs being separated.
Please name someone that flys aircraft with much larger differences in a similar environment as we do, especially one that can be forced to fly an MD-10 on an AM out/back tonight and 12 hours later fly an MD-11 around the world............

I said they were not the same airplane. They handle differently, Land differently and have at least 132 differences that I have counted.......and as referenced in Vol 3.

The DC-9 and MD-80 ( also Douglas Built Airplanes) have the same type rating, but they are different airplanes too..............


The MD-80's systems for the most part are the same as the DC-9 (much more similar the comparing the MD-10/ 11) but it is longer than the DC-9 (like the MD-11 to the MD-10), has a modifed wing, (like the MD-11 to the MD-10) has different motors and handles different, especially landing. (again like the MD-11 to the MD-10)

I believe Delta flew DC-9s when they had MD-80's. Let's here from them if they flew them together or in a separate Bid-pack even though it had the same type.

They currently fly the MD-90 (or is it the B-717 now) and still have MD-80's.
I wonder if they fly them together or separate.

Any Delta Pilot please feel free to chime in!

That is the Point I am making and I believe Tony is trying to make.

TonyC

Did anybody else have to do "3 and 3" in the MD-10 differences training, or were they just picking on me?






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USNFDX

I really don't think it's that big a deal. Yes they are different, particulary in how you land them.

As a professional, we should be able to handle these differences between these two aircraft.

I think that there are more significant differences between our 727s with 100s/200s, Valsans, and all the different flight instruments and autopilots.

In the end, they pay the same, so who cares?

Huck

The vast majority of us do. But take a weak MD11 f/o from Anchorage, put that pilot in an MD10 for about the third time, and give them a gusty direct crosswind. You see what you get.

I enjoy flying both airplanes and don't want the bidpacks split up. But I don't think Anchorage crews should be required to remain current in the MD10 if they don't want to.

ptarmigan

If you'd had the chance to fly 757s and 767s in a previous life you'd find that the MD-11/10 differences are certainly no greater.

RedeyeAV8r

Obviously Tony it was something you said.

Seriously I thought (atleast for MEM crews) they tried to give the 6 month PT deal in an MD10 and the 12 month PC in an MD-11............................or whatever they call it now CLOE-1 2 or manuevers

highflyer

Redeye,

IIRC, when Delta had the DC-9 they posted it on a separate bid. i.e. there were no MD-88 types flying the -9. As for the MD-88 and 717 flying, I'm not sure but I know there were no -9 pilots flying the -88 and vice versa.

42GO

GREAT PICTURE TONY.....doesn't mean a THING...
We have way too many whiners... as was stated I think ....the 27 had more differences, but then....... ....oh well, I don't have to go there....