nitefr8dog

Reread what I wrote...class of 2 and 1 falls on his sword 50%.Or bigger numbers you might understand 4 and 2 don't make it..either way 50%. 2016
RJ new hires sucked...maybe 1 in 10 could actually fly the aircraft autopilot off. I am sure it was a grind for him..it was the 1st time in 20 yrs I had to look at every leg and decide if we would crash or survive if the FO flew that leg....weak

motorclutch

Regarding the toolbox you referenced :
He was given his position by our former “scab” who cut and ran to be with his “scab” partner at ATI. Lots of history here. Talk to some of the senior guys.

Hang10

Two more new hires let go! Training gotum!

ACMItrash

2 more let go today in training. ..where's mark? And I don't believe that's 50% of that class.

No growth
1/2 the crew members on reserve
No contract in sight
If you have an interview, be skeptical of anything management tries to feed you the fact is abx is going on 5 years without a contract. Certainly you can do better.

ACMItrash

Nothing has changed.

MarkThyme

Dude, you really need a hobby. I mean other than this one.

You know as well as anyone that they're hiring for the additional flying that is coming in July, with upgrades planned for May.

Jurassic Jet

They would 'like' to hire. Let's see how that works out for them.

And the next 30 some odd upgrades will ALL have 20+ years seniority. And they are talking about a max of 12 upgrades.

45 at the top of the FO list before you start getting to new hires that came in in mid 2016.

And then 65 'new hires' on the list.

So if you're wanting a quick upgrade into a heavy, do that math.

MarkThyme

The math has been done.

I wasn't trying to suggest that everything is unicorns and daisies now - just that the statement "nothing has changed" was not especially accurate. You want more flying? You're getting more flying. You want upgrades? You're getting upgrades. You want to get off reserve? There will be a bunch of people getting the opportunity to bid something other than reserve.

Don't complain about getting what you asked for.

Jurassic Jet

Exciting times at ABX indeed! Before we know it, upgrade times will be under 20 years!

abxflyr

The point many are trying to make, and that you want to discount, is that ABX isn't really moving forward with the industry. It's not really a matter of opinion as much as fact.

True...ABX has finally reached a point where they are hiring for a short term. The group will get some limited expansion in flying (block hours...no additional aircraft) due to increased utilization in the AMZ system into ILN. New hires are for the additional hours and, as mentioned here several times, to replace those F/O's who have left. There will be a few captain upgrades (not linear to the f/o new hire numbers) to balance the flying. All the "numbers" are subject to changes since the schedule is in flux for a while to come.

Also true...any new hire will be stuck on reserve. The nature of a new-hire is to be on reserve! One goal should be to align with an outfit that minimizes that period of time. ABX flying will not expand that much (remember no additional aircraft). Current guys on reserve may see an opportunity for a left over line. Captains will almost all be on reserve but are also all 20+ year guys.

A new hires ability to make captain at ABX Air....totally unknown. Best guess (subject to others view as well). 3-4 years from now. That means that guys who are current new-hires (4 years seniority or less) may see it then; if you get on the list now.....I don't think anyone can forecast an upgrade that well; but it would be quite a while.

Can it all change...."on a dime". Will it? I think one would be better off looking at other ACMI groups who have a more defined future at this point in time. It may change...probably will at some point; care to bet your future, quality of life, seniority, benefits, retirement, stability on it?