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Old 01-06-2019, 11:00 AM   #51  
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CallmeJB,

I don't work for Atlas and all of your reasoning sounds good on the surface but you didn't address captains not picking up open time. If captains don't fly open time the company can not easily train more if they are flat out on training already. You have to take FO's off line for several weeks which requires new hires to replace them. All this has to be done by working around required recurrent training. At least for a short period of time I would think that the company would be significantly hindered in their ability to fill trips. Regardless of what precipitates it I hope that all the employees working for your holding company soon receive the contract you deserve.
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Old 01-06-2019, 05:16 PM   #52  
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Some here need their moral compass adjusted a little.
This is the history as far as I am aware:

1- when the contract expired our fearless leader of 1224 resigned from his LCA position hoping that others would also. No LCA means no line checks and no OE so everything comes to a grinding halt within weeks.
This didn’t happen.

2. LCA’s are picking up overtime.

3-Union stewards are picking up overtime.

4-Regular’ Line captains are picking up overtime.

5. New hire FO’s are picking up overtime.

So all you Moral Compass Knights are bullying the crew members that are making the LEAST amount of money to NOT pick up overtime?!
That’s real big of you.
I’m waiting for the day you’ll approach a senior captain and ask them why they’re not wearing the yellow “all-in” lanyard.
I’d love to be there when you do, I’ll bring the popcorn.
You lost on your BOOT and SHOP campaigns and the judge ordered you to no longer discourage operations as per CBA.
You’re court ordered....think about that for a sec next time.
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Old 01-07-2019, 02:06 AM   #53  
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Some here need their moral compass adjusted a little.
This is the history as far as I am aware:

1- when the contract expired our fearless leader of 1224 resigned from his LCA position hoping that others would also. No LCA means no line checks and no OE so everything comes to a grinding halt within weeks.
This didn’t happen.

2. LCA’s are picking up overtime.

3-Union stewards are picking up overtime.

4-Regular’ Line captains are picking up overtime.

5. New hire FO’s are picking up overtime.

So all you Moral Compass Knights are bullying the crew members that are making the LEAST amount of money to NOT pick up overtime?!
That’s real big of you.
I’m waiting for the day you’ll approach a senior captain and ask them why they’re not wearing the yellow “all-in” lanyard.
I’d love to be there when you do, I’ll bring the popcorn.
You lost on your BOOT and SHOP campaigns and the judge ordered you to no longer discourage operations as per CBA.
You’re court ordered....think about that for a sec next time.
You sure do write like someone rooting against the pilot group.
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Old 01-07-2019, 06:14 AM   #54  
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Some here need their moral compass adjusted a little.
This is the history as far as I am aware:

1- when the contract expired our fearless leader of 1224 resigned from his LCA position hoping that others would also. No LCA means no line checks and no OE so everything comes to a grinding halt within weeks.
This didn’t happen.

2. LCA’s are picking up overtime.

3-Union stewards are picking up overtime.

4-Regular’ Line captains are picking up overtime.

5. New hire FO’s are picking up overtime.

So all you Moral Compass Knights are bullying the crew members that are making the LEAST amount of money to NOT pick up overtime?!
That’s real big of you.
I’m waiting for the day you’ll approach a senior captain and ask them why they’re not wearing the yellow “all-in” lanyard.
I’d love to be there when you do, I’ll bring the popcorn.
You lost on your BOOT and SHOP campaigns and the judge ordered you to no longer discourage operations as per CBA.
You’re court ordered....think about that for a sec next time.

Bob only gave up his check airman status after he had made a bundle! NOT right after the contract expired. As long as you are under the thumb of Bourne with the likes of Kirchner and his cronies taking your 2.5% you are doomed. The smartest thing the Atlas and Southern pilots could do is to decert IBT and go back to ALPA where you belong.
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Old 01-07-2019, 07:19 AM   #55  
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You sure do write like someone rooting against the pilot group.
While he is not in with the larger membership gang mentality we got going right now, he is predominately right.

We all need to know how the chess board is laid out and the rules vs our playing checkers when that is not the game being played.

We got lucky on the work action the last time. It could have gone along the way of AA's and weakened our position negotiating instead of helping it.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2001/03/pil-m02.html
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:17 AM   #56  
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Bob only gave up his check airman status after he had made a bundle! NOT right after the contract expired. As long as you are under the thumb of Bourne with the likes of Kirchner and his cronies taking your 2.5% you are doomed. The smartest thing the Atlas and Southern pilots could do is to decert IBT and go back to ALPA where you belong.
Nobody ran against Kirchner. If they went back to ALPA BK would still be the head man... First the pilot group would have to think BK is the boogey man you do. Then they'd have to find someone (and a slate) who isn't too lazy to run against him. Then they'd have to win an election. While all of this is happening the clock would be ticking on the current CBA which would be doing significant damage to the careers of those involved. The attention would be on changing leadership instead of CBAs.

ALPA is great but the Atlas Pilot Group is the master of their own destiny in most circumstances.
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:27 AM   #57  
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Bob only gave up his check airman status after he had made a bundle! NOT right after the contract expired. As long as you are under the thumb of Bourne with the likes of Kirchner and his cronies taking your 2.5% you are doomed. The smartest thing the Atlas and Southern pilots could do is to decert IBT and go back to ALPA where you belong.

BK and most of the EXCO are great guys and would have my vote even if guys ran against them. My issue is the infighting and calling guys out for picking up OT, it doesn't help anyone and just pushes guys away from the union. Our CBA is so weak the flying will get covered, might as well have guys that want/need the extra money, than have guys that want to be home extended.
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Old 01-07-2019, 10:53 AM   #58  
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BK and most of the EXCO are great guys and would have my vote even if guys ran against them. My issue is the infighting and calling guys out for picking up OT, it doesn't help anyone and just pushes guys away from the union. Our CBA is so weak the flying will get covered, might as well have guys that want/need the extra money, than have guys that want to be home extended.

Ignorance is bliss! Old saying for a good reason!!
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:01 AM   #59  
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While he is not in with the larger membership gang mentality we got going right now, he is predominately right.

We all need to know how the chess board is laid out and the rules vs our playing checkers when that is not the game being played.

We got lucky on the work action the last time. It could have gone along the way of AA's and weakened our position negotiating instead of helping it.
For prospective Atlas new hires, most folks have come to this thread to post their annual pay in an effort to provide you with a realistic view of what to expect in their first years at Atlas.

Unfortunately, as in so many other other Atlas threads, this thread is in peril of devolving into another union bashing rant by our very own "1%" who are nothing more than management wannabe's working against the pilot group.

Let's keep this information channel open to people who simply want to learn about the things that will allow them to make the right decision when it comes to choosing between ACMI carriers and where Atlas sits within that group (bottom!! )Please try to read past the unproductive posts to get the information that you need to decide what the truth is for Atlas new hires.

Good luck!
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Old 01-09-2019, 01:46 PM   #60  
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I know I will probably get jumped on for even asking this but how long for a new hire to get out of ANC to HSV?

I'm not looking to come over right now maybe in the future if ya'll get a new contract, I just like to keep tabs on it since I live within driving distance.

Also how long is your home reserve call out? 2 hours?
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