Originally Posted by Lockheed

Someone who gets it
With no ax to grind
Thanks

Originally Posted by Globemaster2827

I know nothing of Corporate or Charter. If that's what you want to compare yourself to then have at it. I bet there are jobs like that with better retirement than what ACMI offers. Regionals... I don't know much about either. If you're proud of having a slightly better retirement than Mesa then I'm glad you're happy. I'm pretty educated on ACMI retirements, Spirit, Jet Blue, Southwest, The Legacies, and the two big cargo airlines. Your contract is behind all of those by Millions of dollars in your career.... Except for the ACMI ones where you're only slightly behind.

The point was that DW wasn't holding you back from better contract language. Actually... You're proving my point. You're thrilled with your contract. I'm pretty sure DW thinks it's not a great contract. You'd have gladly accepted less because your retirement is better than Air Wisconsin's... You're thrilled with the work rules too despite most of them being behind Atlas's antiquated contract... Your pilot group voted yes overwhelmingly to something DW would've voted no on.

I left Atlas. I don't see them getting a Retirement that makes it worth working there because none of the other ACMI carriers have anything that make it worth sticking around. If everyone voted with their feet then it'd change... But yall are happy and that's is a beautiful thing.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

The all or nothing attitude has hurt more pilot groups over the years than anything else outside of bankruptcies. The USAirways pilots lost over $2 BILLION in their SLI/CBA disputes. Who wins then; management, with years more of cheap labor.

I think both Kalitta and Omni were smart to not lose historic gains over demanding a 10%-12% DC retirement contribution. Both groups locked in minimum $160k-$400k in increased pay over the 4 years depending on seat. The pilot shortage is here, it will get worse, and at the next section 6 amendment round both groups will pick up the DC for retirement, and perhaps even go from 17 to 16 days.

Some pilot groups will still be losing minimum $50k-$150k each year over demands for a DC of $8k-$22k.... and they’ll be doing it from the center seat in coach on a 10 hour DH to work with a 9 hour rest prior to their flight.

Originally Posted by goinaround

Omni looks to be a great group and great place to work. I feel so bad for you guys that your next round of negotiations will be against J.H. He's a real piece of work.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

The pilot shortage is here, it will get worse, and at the next section 6 amendment round both groups will pick up the DC for retirement, and perhaps even go from 17 to 16 days.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

The all or nothing attitude has hurt more pilot groups over the years than anything else outside of bankruptcies. The USAirways pilots lost over $2 BILLION in their SLI/CBA disputes. Who wins then; management, with years more of cheap labor.

I think both Kalitta and Omni were smart to not lose historic gains over demanding a 10%-12% DC retirement contribution. Both groups locked in minimum $160k-$400k in increased pay over the 4 years depending on seat. The pilot shortage is here, it will get worse, and at the next section 6 amendment round both groups will pick up the DC for retirement, and perhaps even go from 17 to 16 days.

Some pilot groups will still be losing minimum $50k-$150k each year over demands for a DC of $8k-$22k.... and they’ll be doing it from the center seat in coach on a 10 hour DH to work with a 9 hour rest prior to their flight.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

I sure hope you went to one of those places you named like Spirit, Southwest, JetBlue or a legacy.... because if you went to another ACMI with - as you say - poor retirement then you’ve lost all credibility about voting with your feet.

Originally Posted by robi523

We are at 16 days now...

Originally Posted by goinaround

Omni looks to be a great group and great place to work. I feel so bad for you guys that your next round of negotiations will be against J.H. He's a real piece of work.