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Old 05-04-2007, 08:16 PM   #11  
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They pass this wherein the over 60 guys get rights back to a front seat...I become a non-member. End of discussion.
There are a lot of issues on the CBA/National legistlation table right now. If you quit over 1 issue you lose all say in your future and the pilot group loses some collective power.
The way to challenge any process is to talk to your LEC/MEC reps and give them solutions.
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Old 05-04-2007, 08:19 PM   #12  
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It's pretty hard to talk when nobody listens. I understand your point, but when decisions are consistently made in a collusive manner outside of the majority, why follow a process that has zero chance of success?
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They pass this wherein the over 60 guys get rights back to a front seat...I become a non-member. End of discussion.
Think about what your saying. First if ALPA had that much pull, the AGE 60 thing would be dead.

The AGE 60 thing is coming with out without ALPA (like that term?)

If the rule change allows the over 60 guys to come back, so be it, if it doesn't is doesn't. Bottom line is this is a seniority based system and seniority is defined in the contract.

If the FAA rule does allow them to come back, that doesn't mean FEDEX will aloow them to, but they might have to pay passover pay, and I believe ALPA would fight for that..........and they should.
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Old 05-04-2007, 08:21 PM   #14  
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It's pretty hard to talk when nobody listens. I understand your point, but when decisions are consistently made in a collusive manner outside of the majority, why follow a process that has zero chance of success?
Who is your Block Rep?........ do you even know?
Have you writen him? are you saying you have recieved no response?
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Old 05-04-2007, 08:24 PM   #15  
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I have walked the line in a couple of cities, worn a red lanyard and been extremely pro union all aliong. However this latest Webb letter smacks of personal agendas and back room collusion, all in defiance of the majority of members in a supposedly democratic institution. Historically, When the powers that be become dictators, a revolt is most definitely called for.
I am open to suggestions, to include hamfisted's fix.
anybody else?-
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Old 05-04-2007, 08:25 PM   #16  
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Only response I have received is a condascending email from the Vice Chairman.
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Old 05-04-2007, 08:29 PM   #17  
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Hoffa went to sleep with the fishes for a reason (must be said in a Italian accent). We're a organized labor group, maybe we should act like one.. Something along the lines of busting kneecaps might get the MEC to listen a little better.

THIS IS ONLY HUMOR. NO ACTUAL THREATS ARE BEING IMPLIED, SUGGESTED, OR OTHERWISE RECOMMENDED.
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Old 05-04-2007, 08:30 PM   #18  
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when decisions are consistently made in a collusive manner outside of the majority, why follow a process that has zero chance of success?
We follow the RLA process because it is the only one we have that protects our jobs, benefits, etc...

The alternative is to have FredEx make work rules and pay raises whenever they see fit(FCH). We don't want to go there(again).

The MEC is the pilots' voice. I don't believe they are being collusive. They are trying to participate in an NPRM process that will affect us for a long time.
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Out of touch? You mean like telling us that city commonality and same city deadheads are not important?

Becoming a non-member isn't going to do you any good. You'll still be paying dues and for sure no one is going to listen to you.

We all need to contact our block reps and let them know our feelings on this.
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I was under the impression that the telephone pole that yielded the 52% number was by invitation only, not the current ALPA survey that ALL of us are entitled to voice our opinions.

Seems extremely biased that the union would pass a resolution WITHOUT the results of the survey we took as a union (meaning together, not a select few of invitees).
Actually the telephone poll is much more accurate because it is a sampling of all seniority levels in all seats.

The webb poll is nothing more than a survey. If the majority of the pilots who took the web survey were JR (or senior) then it would skew the results.

The Wilson center is very accurate on telephone poll #'s.
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