PolarTiger

The only thing disparaging is our current contract which was signed and approved by certain members of our current/retired leadership. What was sold to us as a "win for the union" in 2011 is now being labeled in 2019 as, "it was forced down our throats".

SouthernCr0ss

Excellent, thank you for proving my point. Again doing the math, and one may evaluate own your risk vs reward...

3 yr ATI CAPTAIN - $156k
3 yr UPS First Officer - $180k - CAPTAIN - $291k
3 yr FedEx First Officer -$169k - CAPTAIN - $266k

I agree, some places are definately worse. “ATI folks feel like they are doing well,” should not translate into settling for less HERE (acmi) just because the regionals are/were worse. It’s similar to people moving out of a high tax state to a low tax state, and then voting for the same policies which created the high tax state. You remember that old quote about those who fail to heed history are doomed to repeat it?

Please! Do the WHOLE mathematical problem, the hourly rate is only one part of the equation, and one management likes to dangle like the preverbal carrot...

Figures above are APC published 767 min guarantee....

Elevation

We're all flying for a fraction of what we're worth. Some of the rationalization that goes on at ATI makes me throw-up a little, but we're all showing up to work still. All of us are compromising a little to keep showing up to fly too. At Atlas, we have to pretend that we're taking a crash and a series of other events seriously. At ABX they have to pretend that there's some kind of future after Airborne. AT ATI they have to pretend they they aren't somehow selling themselves and their peers short.

So let's not try to form tribes of like we did when we thought one regional was better than the other. It's all BS. We're all in the same boat together, and we're all equally filthy.

No Land 3

Maybe the resident UPS pilot on here can back me up on this.
Was told that a 2nd year UPS FO who bids the 747, lives in Anchorage, can easily top 250k with some OT, and if he was to pickup a lot of OT, exceed 300k.

Crazy Canuck

This post right here. Some of the posters on here at ATI haven’t seemed to figure out that if Atlas and ABX pilots wanted the same contract they have, they could probably have it...tomorrow.

Stay the course. Know your worth.

nitefr8dog

This right here...ABX has been offered OMNI numbers which are more than ATI. The catch is we would also have to accept their (ATI/OMNI) DC match (lower), scheduling rules (none), disability pay (lower), scope (none), JRM day reimbursement, (we have increased pay plus day back), no reassignment pay, the list goes on and on. Basically all areas of both contracts that suck other than pay which is mediocre. We are not willing to do that.

goinaround

No argument from me whatsoever on the disability, scope, DC match, etc. The problem with reassignment pay is that that particular work rule does not fit into an ACMI model. I'm not saying it wouldn't be great to have. I'd probably make over $3 million a year if I got paid for reassignments. However, that particular work rule hamstrings you into working for scheduled operations only (DHL/Amazon). Pretty hard to grow outside of that. (not that I think JH is savvy enough to branch out from his current overlords)

nitefr8dog

Our REAs come from stupidity.....an unwillingness or inability to realize required staffing in an ACMI marketplace. So with that in mind the REA and D6 program was created to make the inability or unwillingness to correctly staff the airline painful. Can't have it both ways. Anyhow combine the soft pay and the rest of the contract....its better than what is being offered. Omni/ATI pay rates and the rest of the contract horible.

Reactivity

We're aware. Whether or not that is a desirable move is up for debate. And there's still the matter of getting them to call.

Reactivity

The vote had nothing to do with Amazon. The resolution on which ABX pilots voted made no mention of Amazon. It was all about ABX management and their unwillingness to negotiate a contract. The only people who mentioned Amazon are the business writers who are writing clickbait articles to generate ad revenue. They know that the Amazon name will get their readers' attention. They also know that next to nobody knows who ABX Air is, and that readers would gloss right over the headline if it said ABX Air instead.

Don't blame ABX pilots for business writers trying to make a buck off of a union press release.