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Old 06-17-2023 | 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
So it was settled before a full system board?
Oh it blew right past that and went to arbitration.
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Old 06-18-2023 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TheEskimo
Oh it blew right past that and went to arbitration.
System board = arbitration.
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Old 06-21-2023 | 10:03 AM
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Here's the standard military guy getting out, looking at options. The wife and I have picked the CVG area. I'll make enough money for me at pretty much any airline, besides I don't really want to deal with pax or FAs. Quality of life is paramount for me (ie. driving to work). Am I crazy looking at ABX? Yes I am looking at UPS in SDF as well as Atlas and Kalitta out of CVG.
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Old 06-21-2023 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by HeyHairWoYaGoin
No upgrades anywhere in sight with no company communication regarding this...
Proffer for four captains just posted. Happy now?
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Old 06-21-2023 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by anothermilguy
Here's the standard military guy getting out, looking at options. The wife and I have picked the CVG area. I'll make enough money for me at pretty much any airline, besides I don't really want to deal with pax or FAs. Quality of life is paramount for me (ie. driving to work). Am I crazy looking at ABX? Yes I am looking at UPS in SDF as well as Atlas and Kalitta out of CVG.
No, you're not crazy. We have issues. So does anyone else. You'll hear from some that ABX is "the worst". They exaggerate. You can do better, yes, but you can do a lot worse.

You're welcome to contact me via PM if you like.
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Old 06-21-2023 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Reactivity
Proffer for four captains just posted. Happy now?
Just saw the email. That’s good news
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Old 06-21-2023 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Reactivity
Proffer for four captains just posted. Happy now?
Forgot to mention the 9 active captains who have left (resigned/retired) since the last proffer. These are replacements. We're all still waiting and hoping for an upswing. At least they are refilling a few spots.
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Old 07-05-2023 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by abxflyr
Forgot to mention the 9 active captains who have left (resigned/retired) since the last proffer. These are replacements. We're all still waiting and hoping for an upswing. At least they are refilling a few spots.


New numbers have 13 resignations/retirements Captain & 7 F/O’s off the door in less than a month.

Seems it’s going to be hard for the company and training department to keep up with the attrition and vague upgrade behavior.
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Old 07-06-2023 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Tripilot25
New numbers have 13 resignations/retirements Captain & 7 F/O’s off the door in less than a month.

Seems it’s going to be hard for the company and training department to keep up with the attrition and vague upgrade behavior.
Where are you coming up with 13? Between the July and August bid packs, the number of captains changed by 9. Two were retirements. One was a resignation. The rest are still on the seniority list and will likely return at some point.

Of the 7 FOs, one was a retirement and one chose to leave after a second unsuccessful upgrade attempt, leaving five who have moved on to whatever, which is actually slightly below the monthly average so far this year.

None of this has anything to do with "vague upgrade behavior". One of the 5 FOs who resigned had already bypassed multiple opportunities to upgrade. Nearly everyone who takes a job at an ACMI carrier is doing it as a stepping stone to somewhere else, so in an environment where major airlines are sucking up anybody with a hint of 121 experience, let's stop acting as if the high turnover is somehow unique to ABX.
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Old 07-06-2023 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Reactivity
Where are you coming up with 13? Between the July and August bid packs, the number of captains changed by 9. Two were retirements. One was a resignation. The rest are still on the seniority list and will likely return at some point.

Of the 7 FOs, one was a retirement and one chose to leave after a second unsuccessful upgrade attempt, leaving five who have moved on to whatever, which is actually slightly below the monthly average so far this year.

None of this has anything to do with "vague upgrade behavior". One of the 5 FOs who resigned had already bypassed multiple opportunities to upgrade. Nearly everyone who takes a job at an ACMI carrier is doing it as a stepping stone to somewhere else, so in an environment where major airlines are sucking up anybody with a hint of 121 experience, let's stop acting as if the high turnover is somehow unique to ABX.
You must stop this truthfulness and common sense at once. This is a place of rumor, conspiracy, and chicken-little sky-is falling high drama and chaos. You must not introduce order, rational thought, or accuracy, lest you upset the off-the-rails imbalance of emotion, fear, and outrage.

Correct information will not be tolerated.
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