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Old 05-08-2023 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJJ
Have you ever flown ACMI? Be humble, most of the senior guys at most ACMI would eat you alive, skills/experience wise.
Being arrogant doesn’t pay off, not even here.
I didn't t mean to disrespect the pilot group there, but my point is why would anyone go to that shi#$t hole when the majors are hiring in droves.
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Old 05-08-2023 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tommy2times
I didn't t mean to disrespect the pilot group there, but my point is why would anyone go to that shi#$t hole when the majors are hiring in droves.
Because ACMI isn't as bad as you make it out to be and many of those who complain the hardest about ACMI will continue to whine endlessly about whatever major airline is careless enough to hire them.
Because major airlines want to see some kind of experience before they'll hire you and ACMI is a good place to get experience in something that is more like what you would fly at a major airline.
Because applying at a major airline doesn't mean you'll get hired by a major airline.
Because sometimes, time isn't on your side and moving to a major airline would cost you more than it's worth.
Because everybody has their own idea of what their career should look like. They have their own ideas about what they want out of their career and Big Name Airline doesn't always fit into that.
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Old 05-08-2023 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Reactivity
Because ACMI isn't as bad as you make it out to be and many of those who complain the hardest about ACMI will continue to whine endlessly about whatever major airline is careless enough to hire them.
Because major airlines want to see some kind of experience before they'll hire you and ACMI is a good place to get experience in something that is more like what you would fly at a major airline.
Because applying at a major airline doesn't mean you'll get hired by a major airline.
Because sometimes, time isn't on your side and moving to a major airline would cost you more than it's worth.
Because everybody has their own idea of what their career should look like. They have their own ideas about what they want out of their career and Big Name Airline doesn't always fit into that.
Rich is that you?
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Old 05-08-2023 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tommy2times
I didn't t mean to disrespect the pilot group there, but my point is why would anyone go to that shi#$t hole when the majors are hiring in droves.
Hang on a second there, liar.

You say you don't mean to disrespect the pilot group, but call it a "shi#$t hole."

You got chops to back up that smug arrogance, or just talking out your rectum?

You really don't have the experience to have a valid opinion. After all, how would you know?
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Old 05-09-2023 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Hang on a second there, liar.

You say you don't mean to disrespect the pilot group, but call it a "shi#$t hole."

You got chops to back up that smug arrogance, or just talking out your rectum?

You really don't have the experience to have a valid opinion. After all, how would you know?
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​​​​​​Fact your boyz and galz leaving at an alarming rate, enjoy making less than the regionals at that dump! You sound bitter ol man not being at a real airline.
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Old 05-09-2023 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tommy2times
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​​​​​​Fact your boyz and galz leaving at an alarming rate, enjoy making less than the regionals at that dump! You sound bitter ol man not being at a real airline.
You don't know where I work, nor do you know my age. You know nothing about me. You're young enough that you can't help but vomit up nearly every detail of your life online (Look at me!), including your lack of experience.

Because you've got no experience, you really have no basis to talk. None. You haven't really been there and done that, so again, how would you know?

You're insulting and offensive, and apparently feel inclined to climb into other sandboxes and urinate to your hearts content.

You also lack any semblance of maturity, and you are both liar, and a troll. Accordingly, you sound like someone not worthy of conversation and very much like someone on the ignore list.

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The signal-to-noise ration has been greatly improved.
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Old 05-09-2023 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tommy2times
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​​​​​​Fact your boyz and galz leaving at an alarming rate, enjoy making less than the regionals at that dump! You sound bitter ol man not being at a real airline.
Good thing you work at a government backed “real airline” having been hired during the easiest and greatest opportunity of all time. It’s supply and demand, obviously not experience. It’s all timing and fantastic to be hired by the conglomeration of many carriers of decades ago. Continental, USAir, Northwest, don’t discount those at a real airline like Pan Am, TWA, Eastern, heck Braniff which you would have to tap your phone for to know. Glad you boyz and galz have capitalized on all the hard work and efforts of those before you as I did with those before me it’s all timing. Your turn to move the bar forward, bring others up along with you and just enjoy your simple life. There is more than enough $ out there to float one’s boat, hopefully you have other life priorities.

*Folks have always left many places continuously and it ebbs and flows. The interesting part is that folks have had multiple Big 3/Purple and Brown CJOs this past decade and even left training for another and now some are even leaving having been on property just a few years. Interesting times.
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Old 05-12-2023 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by C17B74
Good thing you work at a government backed “real airline” having been hired during the easiest and greatest opportunity of all time. It’s supply and demand, obviously not experience. It’s all timing and fantastic to be hired by the conglomeration of many carriers of decades ago. Continental, USAir, Northwest, don’t discount those at a real airline like Pan Am, TWA, Eastern, heck Braniff which you would have to tap your phone for to know. Glad you boyz and galz have capitalized on all the hard work and efforts of those before you as I did with those before me it’s all timing. Your turn to move the bar forward, bring others up along with you and just enjoy your simple life. There is more than enough $ out there to float one’s boat, hopefully you have other life priorities.

*Folks have always left many places continuously and it ebbs and flows. The interesting part is that folks have had multiple Big 3/Purple and Brown CJOs this past decade and even left training for another and now some are even leaving having been on property just a few years. Interesting times.
Very interesting times. You hit the nail on the head. The older I get the more I find the younger group of professional pilots failing to be thankful for the opportunities they have. ‘Back in my day’ low pay and the continuous feeling of never getting to a better place was pretty much the norm. Now everyone has great opportunities in this “pilots market”. Something that anyone who has been around the block should be thankful for- myself included. I find it personally annoying that this next generation has a feel of entitlement. Not everyone of course, but enough to give this impression. But back on topic. We are in interesting times. ATI and ATSG management seem to be struggling to understand that we’re in a period of aviation history that is largely unprecedented. In my opinion, this is where our woes at ATI stem from. But I gotta be straight, there are managers here that do recognize this fact. However they are unable to influence the decisions of those that think in terms of “you pilots should just be happy to have a flying job”. I find it hilarious that the old school management mentality of “if you don’t like it, just vote with your feet”, are now paying out big time in training costs. Everyone is voting with their feet these days. So yes very interesting times.
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Old 05-12-2023 | 11:32 AM
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Plus their music is weak compared to your awesome generation.
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Old 05-13-2023 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkeywizz
Plus their music is weak compared to your awesome generation.
I don’t know anything about that. Every generation has good music. If it sounds good it sounds good. However music has nothing to do with one’s attitudes about the profession. Dedication to safety and desires to hone one’s craft is important. Basically it boils down to attitude. Gimme gimme attitude is sad. “Give me a real challenge because I want to be the best pilot I can be”, now that’s good stuff right there! But ya, I do love great tunes
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