LEC 99 Update
07-24-2007, 09:45 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by AFW_MD11
Sorry, but I gotta raise the BS flag here. I’m not advocating voting yes OR no, I would just like people to have the FACTS to decide, not misinformation...
First – count how many times EI uses the phrase “I think” or “I feel” vs. “I KNOW” – doesn’t sound like he really has ALL the facts now does it?
Second – EI - “With regard to being based in Hong Kong, I think that we are going to be based there because the company wants it that way.”
Maybe this other guy (NC member) might KNOW why HKG...from his letter:
MH - “At the urging of our committee, the LOA bases the pilots in HKG rather than CAN, even though the actual operational base is CAN.”
EI - “Why? That is a question that only the company can answer.”
How ‘bout that the union guys got over there and saw the place for the she-ite hole that it is and URGED the company to base us in HKG vs. CAN?
Third – Housing Allowance, Seed Money, Shipping Allowance – all EI’s arguments here are debunked with just a little internet research – here’s a 1-bedroom apartment in Paris (a couple of blocks from the layover hotel) for 1900 Euro FULLY FURNISHED – with MAID SERVICE
http://www.parisattitude.com/apartme...numProduit=109
Still available as of this posting.
etc. etc. etc.
Blasphemy, I know, to all you Subic guys, but the facts are the facts.
Flame away, but PLEASE VOTE.
First – count how many times EI uses the phrase “I think” or “I feel” vs. “I KNOW” – doesn’t sound like he really has ALL the facts now does it?
Second – EI - “With regard to being based in Hong Kong, I think that we are going to be based there because the company wants it that way.”
Maybe this other guy (NC member) might KNOW why HKG...from his letter:
MH - “At the urging of our committee, the LOA bases the pilots in HKG rather than CAN, even though the actual operational base is CAN.”
EI - “Why? That is a question that only the company can answer.”
How ‘bout that the union guys got over there and saw the place for the she-ite hole that it is and URGED the company to base us in HKG vs. CAN?
Third – Housing Allowance, Seed Money, Shipping Allowance – all EI’s arguments here are debunked with just a little internet research – here’s a 1-bedroom apartment in Paris (a couple of blocks from the layover hotel) for 1900 Euro FULLY FURNISHED – with MAID SERVICE
http://www.parisattitude.com/apartme...numProduit=109
Still available as of this posting.
etc. etc. etc.
Blasphemy, I know, to all you Subic guys, but the facts are the facts.
Flame away, but PLEASE VOTE.
Last edited by Busboy; 07-24-2007 at 10:16 AM. Reason: Home schooled math skills
07-24-2007, 10:08 AM
#12
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 117
Originally Posted by AFW_MD11
Sorry, but I gotta raise the BS flag here. I’m not advocating voting yes OR no, I would just like people to have the FACTS to decide, not misinformation...
First – count how many times EI uses the phrase “I think” or “I feel” vs. “I KNOW” – doesn’t sound like he really has ALL the facts now does it?
Second – EI - “With regard to being based in Hong Kong, I think that we are going to be based there because the company wants it that way.”
Maybe this other guy (NC member) might KNOW why HKG...from his letter:
MH - “At the urging of our committee, the LOA bases the pilots in HKG rather than CAN, even though the actual operational base is CAN.”
EI - “Why? That is a question that only the company can answer.”
How ‘bout that the union guys got over there and saw the place for the she-ite hole that it is and URGED the company to base us in HKG vs. CAN?
Third – Housing Allowance, Seed Money, Shipping Allowance – all EI’s arguments here are debunked with just a little internet research – here’s a 1-bedroom apartment in Paris (a couple of blocks from the layover hotel) for 1900 Euro FULLY FURNISHED – with MAID SERVICE
http://www.parisattitude.com/apartme...numProduit=109
Still available as of this posting.
etc. etc. etc.
Blasphemy, I know, to all you Subic guys, but the facts are the facts.
Flame away, but PLEASE VOTE.
First – count how many times EI uses the phrase “I think” or “I feel” vs. “I KNOW” – doesn’t sound like he really has ALL the facts now does it?
Second – EI - “With regard to being based in Hong Kong, I think that we are going to be based there because the company wants it that way.”
Maybe this other guy (NC member) might KNOW why HKG...from his letter:
MH - “At the urging of our committee, the LOA bases the pilots in HKG rather than CAN, even though the actual operational base is CAN.”
EI - “Why? That is a question that only the company can answer.”
How ‘bout that the union guys got over there and saw the place for the she-ite hole that it is and URGED the company to base us in HKG vs. CAN?
Third – Housing Allowance, Seed Money, Shipping Allowance – all EI’s arguments here are debunked with just a little internet research – here’s a 1-bedroom apartment in Paris (a couple of blocks from the layover hotel) for 1900 Euro FULLY FURNISHED – with MAID SERVICE
http://www.parisattitude.com/apartme...numProduit=109
Still available as of this posting.
etc. etc. etc.
Blasphemy, I know, to all you Subic guys, but the facts are the facts.
Flame away, but PLEASE VOTE.
Also, no kitchen. You found a real winner. It is basically a hotel room. Nothing like staying in a hotel room for 2-3 years. Again, if you have kids where are they going to sleep?
07-24-2007, 10:16 AM
#14
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Originally Posted by AFW_MD11
Sorry, but I gotta raise the BS flag here. I’m not advocating voting yes OR no, I would just like people to have the FACTS to decide, not misinformation...
First – count how many times EI uses the phrase “I think” or “I feel” vs. “I KNOW” – doesn’t sound like he really has ALL the facts now does it?
Second – EI - “With regard to being based in Hong Kong, I think that we are going to be based there because the company wants it that way.”
Maybe this other guy (NC member) might KNOW why HKG...from his letter:
MH - “At the urging of our committee, the LOA bases the pilots in HKG rather than CAN, even though the actual operational base is CAN.”
EI - “Why? That is a question that only the company can answer.”
How ‘bout that the union guys got over there and saw the place for the she-ite hole that it is and URGED the company to base us in HKG vs. CAN?
Third – Housing Allowance, Seed Money, Shipping Allowance – all EI’s arguments here are debunked with just a little internet research – here’s a 1-bedroom apartment in Paris (a couple of blocks from the layover hotel) for 1900 Euro FULLY FURNISHED – with MAID SERVICE
http://www.parisattitude.com/apartme...numProduit=109
Still available as of this posting.
etc. etc. etc.
Blasphemy, I know, to all you Subic guys, but the facts are the facts.
Flame away, but PLEASE VOTE.
First – count how many times EI uses the phrase “I think” or “I feel” vs. “I KNOW” – doesn’t sound like he really has ALL the facts now does it?
Second – EI - “With regard to being based in Hong Kong, I think that we are going to be based there because the company wants it that way.”
Maybe this other guy (NC member) might KNOW why HKG...from his letter:
MH - “At the urging of our committee, the LOA bases the pilots in HKG rather than CAN, even though the actual operational base is CAN.”
EI - “Why? That is a question that only the company can answer.”
How ‘bout that the union guys got over there and saw the place for the she-ite hole that it is and URGED the company to base us in HKG vs. CAN?
Third – Housing Allowance, Seed Money, Shipping Allowance – all EI’s arguments here are debunked with just a little internet research – here’s a 1-bedroom apartment in Paris (a couple of blocks from the layover hotel) for 1900 Euro FULLY FURNISHED – with MAID SERVICE
http://www.parisattitude.com/apartme...numProduit=109
Still available as of this posting.
etc. etc. etc.
Blasphemy, I know, to all you Subic guys, but the facts are the facts.
Flame away, but PLEASE VOTE.
About you commenting on Edgar saying "I think" or "I feel". How many straight answers has the MEC or company given? Most of their answers are "it should, the standard will be, I don't know" or "trust us"!!! This is where the BS flag should be thrown!!!!!!!!!
07-24-2007, 10:16 AM
#15
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Posts: 329
Originally Posted by mrzog2138
Also, no kitchen. You found a real winner. It is basically a hotel room. Nothing like staying in a hotel room for 2-3 years. Again, if you have kids where are they going to sleep?
07-24-2007, 10:19 AM
#16
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Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
Tax equalization was/ is NOT to be a Monetary Benefit for Gain but rather a benefit to minimize TAX burdens to expats. In other words one should not be expecting to MAKE MORE.
I am not looking at it as a monetary benefit for gain. I am looking at it to evaluate the LOA package. Do you think the company hasn't figured out what it will cost? Shouldn't the Union figure out how much it will cost fred? Shouldn't the voters have some knowledge of total package costs? While we are not playing poker; it is ok to ask to see the hole card. It is even better if you count the aces on your own.
Tax Equalization is a very good part of the package (and necessary for CDG or CAN). The more senior you are the better it is.
07-24-2007, 10:20 AM
#17
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Position: MD11 FO, ANC
Posts: 1,098
Win - Win!
Originally Posted by Busboy
Once again, you are missing the point!!
FDXLAG is saying that the COMPANY prefers HKG over CAN, for tax purposes. They(the company) would have to pay $66,000/yr less, under the tax equalization plan.(for a $200,00/yr pilot)
FDXLAG is saying that the COMPANY prefers HKG over CAN, for tax purposes. They(the company) would have to pay $66,000/yr less, under the tax equalization plan.(for a $200,00/yr pilot)
The Company wins by paying less for YOUR taxes (to HKG vs. CAN govt)
And we, the pilots, win because we don't have to live in the she-ite hole that is CAN and we can live in HKG instead!
I'm a little fuzzy on exactly what's wrong with both sides benefiting here?
or are you guys thinking the company should offer us all that tax savings as a lump sum cash payment to us for the 'sacrifice' we made by living in HKG vs. CAN?
07-24-2007, 10:29 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by AFW_MD11
So, what YOU'RE saying is that it's a WIN - WIN! (as far as tax equalization goes)
The Company wins by paying less for YOUR taxes (to HKG vs. CAN govt)
And we, the pilots, win because we don't have to live in the she-ite hole that is CAN and we can live in HKG instead!
I'm a little fuzzy on exactly what's wrong with both sides benefiting here?
or are you guys thinking the company should offer us all that tax savings as a lump sum cash payment to us for the 'sacrifice' we made by living in HKG vs. CAN?
The Company wins by paying less for YOUR taxes (to HKG vs. CAN govt)
And we, the pilots, win because we don't have to live in the she-ite hole that is CAN and we can live in HKG instead!
I'm a little fuzzy on exactly what's wrong with both sides benefiting here?
or are you guys thinking the company should offer us all that tax savings as a lump sum cash payment to us for the 'sacrifice' we made by living in HKG vs. CAN?
But, in your "raise the BS flag" post, you insinuate that EI is putting out misinformation.
We are just trying to point out that the company has some incentive for basing us in HKG other than just being "urged" by the NC. That incentive is $66,000/yr in tax savings per capt. Pretty substantial, even when you deduct the ground transport costs.
07-24-2007, 10:40 AM
#20
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Originally Posted by Busboy
Once again, you are missing the point!!
FDXLAG is saying that the COMPANY prefers HKG over CAN, for tax purposes. They(the company) would have to pay $66,000/yr less, under the tax equalization plan.(for a $200,00/yr pilot)
FDXLAG is saying that the COMPANY prefers HKG over CAN, for tax purposes. They(the company) would have to pay $66,000/yr less, under the tax equalization plan.(for a $200,00/yr pilot)
OK, the company saves some money, and pilots (I don't say we, cause I have no intention of bidding it, either way) don't have to live in some Chicom ruled sh$$$$le. So what? Either way, you pay no more tax than if you reside in the US. Is the point to make the company spend money needlessly?
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