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12-29-2007 | 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by a300fr8dog

Negotiation is required to go below 68 & 85 hours BLG (4 & 5 week months).

Reference please?

12-29-2007 | 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r

Don't even try to figure this stuff out. I remember a close friend who was at his 1st day at another Brand x. He was getting the Standard new hire welcome aboard, you know the one, where the Chief Pilot says "Welcome aboard and congrats, you are all getting hired at the perfect time. You will all be Capts in 4 years". That was a new hire indoc on Monday. The furlough notices came out the following Friday.

There will no doubt be a flurry of rumors in the coming weeks. Don't believe anything until it happens.

Amen! Sometimes I think speculation gives the wrong people ideas. I know it causes sleepless nights for many.

12-29-2007 | 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Spur

Am I missing something? The BLG reduction capability is already in the CBA. 1 bid period notice is all that is required. Why would there be a vote?

There are a lot of things in various airline contracts that cover these types of issues, however often they are willfully ignored by individual MEC's in exchange for other considerations. Gunter brings up a very salient point. What would happen if the MEC offered us a vote on furloughs vs. BLG reductions or some other incentive? History isn't on the potential furloughee's side in this arena across the industry-i.e. expect rationalizations, endless rationalizations if such a scenario were to occur.

12-29-2007 | 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Larusso

My point is that as far as I can see in the CBA, no authorization from the union is required to reduce BLG. It is in the CBA already. A300fr8dog say negotiation is required... I don't see that anywhere in the CBA. It appears to me that it is entirely the company's discretion. Please show me where I am wrong.

12-29-2007 | 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Spur

Am I missing something? The BLG reduction capability is already in the CBA. 1 bid period notice is all that is required. Why would there be a vote?

We have had this overmanning problem for many months and the company has been buying up lines in the 727 to get the BLG the company wants. (Min)

So if the company can arbitrarily reduce BLG, why haven't they done it by now? Why are they giving the SIG buy-up money? Remember the O&B lines worth 66 hrs and paid at 68 hrs?

12-29-2007 | 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunter

Maybe so.

But this stuff tends to happen real fast. When the first FCIFs or words are sent out, it is often very late in the game.

What happens real fast, especially here on this board, is guys make a mountain out of a molehill, at lightening speed.

"I don't need this. I swear to God, I do not need this right now, okay? I've got a judge that's just aching to throw me in jail. An idiot who wants to fight me for two hundred dollars. Slaughtered pigs. Giant loud whistles. I ain't slept in five days. I got no money, a dress code problem, AND a little murder case which, in the balance, holds the lives of two innocent kids. Not to mention your BIOLOGICAL CLOCK - my career, your life, our marriage, and let me see, what else can we pile on? Is there any more SH!T we can pile on to the top of the outcome of this mess? Is it possible?"

As quoted from the movie My cousin Vinny. Damn, did Vinny know about this board, or what?

12-29-2007 | 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunter

I do remember those lines. But the CBA states that the BLG reduction can only be used to prevent/delay a furlough. A temporary lack of 727 flying hardly can be justified as an impending furlough, but the age 65 thing + a slowing domestic economy can. I haven't seen anything that would prevent the company form reducing BLG unilaterally. The only thing that would stop them is the threat of legal action after the fact. In that case they would lose if it was obvious that a furlough was never an option.

With this "perfect storm" of sorts their legal justification becomes more and more sound.

Still this is all speculation on what could happen... Short of world war 3.5 I doubt there will be any furloughs...

12-29-2007 | 04:22 PM

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Last post was right on the money. For me its a cycle of prayer anger prayer anger.

12-29-2007 | 04:30 PM

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did you say Utes?

What's a Ute?

12-29-2007 | 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fecav8r

Man this is amazing. I just spent the last 3 hours looking for a new TV and dishwasher and in that time you guys have figured out the next 3 years of my life. Thanks, now I don't have to.
How about we all just enjoy our families and the Holiday season and let this all wash out in the next week or so before we start thinking about eating a bullet.

Fecav8r,

Good point! I was about to go outside and see if the sky is falling