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01-03-2008 | 04:21 PM
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01-03-2008 | 04:41 PM
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Before my time was the FPA, however when you sign over to ALPA I was wondering do you also sign away some control of your own house. The effectiveness of any union seems to be the strength of the membership and the willingness to strike. Why do we need ALPA for that? After looking at the APA, SWAPA, IPA, the thought of revisiting an internal unnion seems more plausible...
Power corrupts, be it in the union or management. FPA started out young ,enthusiastic and idealistic and wound up old, jaded and corrupt. Not to mention ineffective. Management ran over us like a steamroller under FPA. At least with ALPA we get old, jaded and corrupt with a big war chest and lots of lawyers...
FedEx is one of the best things going for ALPA right now. Hopefully, they'll protect their cash cow when the going gets tough...
01-03-2008 | 04:56 PM
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What makes anyone think we'd have different leadership, if we changed the name of our union?
The best armed military is no good, if the leaders aren't capable. Nor, is that military effective, if the soldiers won't fight.
Do you think that army would be more effective, with less weapons...But, a different name?
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01-03-2008 | 06:52 PM
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Where were those 40,000 strong during the ComAir strike a few years back? They were all ALPA members, but, Oh yea, they were RJ drivers, and even though ALPA gladly took their money, they certainly had no intention of actually helping out a bunch of RJ Drivers.
If we want to have effective negotiations wihtout the INTERFERENCE of ALPA national, we need to go strictly IN HOUSE. NO ALPA, NO TEAMSTERS!!
This crew force drank the ALPA KoolAide, and now is sufferring the consequences. Some of us have been around the airline business longer than the typical FedEx "straight from the military" crowd. We've seen ALPA's work before.
ALPA: "We can do X, Y, and Z for your pilots because we have all this money, and all these lawyers."
Smart Pilots: "No thank you. We've seen what you "did" for FedEx, Alaska, ComAir, United, NorthWest, And Delta."
Don't drink the KoolAide! Prater is just another Jim Jones.
01-03-2008 | 07:49 PM
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While I agree that ALPA is evil, I do not think it, nor any evil, is "necessary."
Where were those 40,000 strong during the ComAir strike a few years back? They were all ALPA members, but, Oh yea, they were RJ drivers, and even though ALPA gladly took their money, they certainly had no intention of actually helping out a bunch of RJ Drivers.
If we want to have effective negotiations wihtout the INTERFERENCE of ALPA national, we need to go strictly IN HOUSE. NO ALPA, NO TEAMSTERS!!
This crew force drank the ALPA KoolAide, and now is sufferring the consequences. Some of us have been around the airline business longer than the typical FedEx "straight from the military" crowd. We've seen ALPA's work before.
ALPA: "We can do X, Y, and Z for your pilots because we have all this money, and all these lawyers."
Smart Pilots: "No thank you. We've seen what you "did" for FedEx, Alaska, ComAir, United, NorthWest, And Delta."
Don't drink the KoolAide! Prater is just another Jim Jones.
Where were those 40,000 strong during the ComAir strike a few years back? They were all ALPA members, but, Oh yea, they were RJ drivers, and even though ALPA gladly took their money, they certainly had no intention of actually helping out a bunch of RJ Drivers.
If we want to have effective negotiations wihtout the INTERFERENCE of ALPA national, we need to go strictly IN HOUSE. NO ALPA, NO TEAMSTERS!!
This crew force drank the ALPA KoolAide, and now is sufferring the consequences. Some of us have been around the airline business longer than the typical FedEx "straight from the military" crowd. We've seen ALPA's work before.
ALPA: "We can do X, Y, and Z for your pilots because we have all this money, and all these lawyers."
Smart Pilots: "No thank you. We've seen what you "did" for FedEx, Alaska, ComAir, United, NorthWest, And Delta."
Don't drink the KoolAide! Prater is just another Jim Jones.
I don't suppose that you came from ComAir, did you?
I've always thought it was rather odd...Whenever the shiat hits the fan at an airline, many of the members blame their union for the problems that management, or the government creates. I've never figured that one out.
01-03-2008 | 07:53 PM
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"...IF....IF by any chanceyouthink you can take any one of us alive.......
LOVE's THE ONLY WEAPON! Martin Luther King died TALKIN' about love....."
"...I've got my GUNs, I've got my CLAWS, I've got DYNAMITE....I'll fight...I'll fight...I'll fight...."
Group called Concrete Blonde actually sampled some of his death diatribe a while back on a tune called "Jonestown", and that got me interested enough to listen to more of the real tapes later on. Funny how quickly "kool aid" became part of the lexicon.
Strange music--but still liked it better than any of Lennon's crap (so there Eggman...)
LOVE's THE ONLY WEAPON! Martin Luther King died TALKIN' about love....."
"...I've got my GUNs, I've got my CLAWS, I've got DYNAMITE....I'll fight...I'll fight...I'll fight...."
Group called Concrete Blonde actually sampled some of his death diatribe a while back on a tune called "Jonestown", and that got me interested enough to listen to more of the real tapes later on. Funny how quickly "kool aid" became part of the lexicon.
Strange music--but still liked it better than any of Lennon's crap (so there Eggman...)
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