Internal Fedex Union.
01-07-2008, 07:23 AM
#51
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: MD-11
Posts: 395
Dc, Busboy:
Your assumptions about those of us who "complain" is precisely the same sort of assumption DW makes about the junior guys. We're just a bunch of "whiners."
Perhaps some of us have been very involved in trying to affect change. Perhaps some of us have realized that ALPA is a failed model, and that there is little if any hope to affect said changes under ALPA leadership [sic]. Some of us have also been on the receiving end of pure lies from specific FedEx ALPA committees; lies that have cost us more money than our annual dues.
There are plenty of alternatives availible to FedEx pilots. I for one think ALPA is part of the problem, not a solution. I also think this pilot group is mistaken to swallow the ALPA line concerning age 65. It was not necessarily a "done deal" in Washington. Just ask the APA, SWAPA, and IPA pilot groups. ALPA had a lot to do with helping get Age 65 passed. It very well might have been tabled indefinitely if ALPA had not decided to ADVOCATE the rule change vice fight it.
Finally, since ALPA extorts 2% of my hard earned pay, You bet I have a right to *****! Or are you one of those Torries who think "taxation without representation" is valid?
Your assumptions about those of us who "complain" is precisely the same sort of assumption DW makes about the junior guys. We're just a bunch of "whiners."
Perhaps some of us have been very involved in trying to affect change. Perhaps some of us have realized that ALPA is a failed model, and that there is little if any hope to affect said changes under ALPA leadership [sic]. Some of us have also been on the receiving end of pure lies from specific FedEx ALPA committees; lies that have cost us more money than our annual dues.
There are plenty of alternatives availible to FedEx pilots. I for one think ALPA is part of the problem, not a solution. I also think this pilot group is mistaken to swallow the ALPA line concerning age 65. It was not necessarily a "done deal" in Washington. Just ask the APA, SWAPA, and IPA pilot groups. ALPA had a lot to do with helping get Age 65 passed. It very well might have been tabled indefinitely if ALPA had not decided to ADVOCATE the rule change vice fight it.
Finally, since ALPA extorts 2% of my hard earned pay, You bet I have a right to *****! Or are you one of those Torries who think "taxation without representation" is valid?
01-07-2008, 03:58 PM
#54
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: 11 Capt
Posts: 509
Originally Posted by PicklePausePull
Dc, Busboy:
Your assumptions about those of us who "complain" is precisely the same sort of assumption DW makes about the junior guys. We're just a bunch of "whiners."
Perhaps some of us have been very involved in trying to affect change. Perhaps some of us have realized that ALPA is a failed model, and that there is little if any hope to affect said changes under ALPA leadership [sic]. Some of us have also been on the receiving end of pure lies from specific FedEx ALPA committees; lies that have cost us more money than our annual dues.
There are plenty of alternatives availible to FedEx pilots. I for one think ALPA is part of the problem, not a solution. I also think this pilot group is mistaken to swallow the ALPA line concerning age 65. It was not necessarily a "done deal" in Washington. Just ask the APA, SWAPA, and IPA pilot groups. ALPA had a lot to do with helping get Age 65 passed. It very well might have been tabled indefinitely if ALPA had not decided to ADVOCATE the rule change vice fight it.
Finally, since ALPA extorts 2% of my hard earned pay, You bet I have a right to *****! Or are you one of those Torries who think "taxation without representation" is valid?
Your assumptions about those of us who "complain" is precisely the same sort of assumption DW makes about the junior guys. We're just a bunch of "whiners."
Perhaps some of us have been very involved in trying to affect change. Perhaps some of us have realized that ALPA is a failed model, and that there is little if any hope to affect said changes under ALPA leadership [sic]. Some of us have also been on the receiving end of pure lies from specific FedEx ALPA committees; lies that have cost us more money than our annual dues.
There are plenty of alternatives availible to FedEx pilots. I for one think ALPA is part of the problem, not a solution. I also think this pilot group is mistaken to swallow the ALPA line concerning age 65. It was not necessarily a "done deal" in Washington. Just ask the APA, SWAPA, and IPA pilot groups. ALPA had a lot to do with helping get Age 65 passed. It very well might have been tabled indefinitely if ALPA had not decided to ADVOCATE the rule change vice fight it.
Finally, since ALPA extorts 2% of my hard earned pay, You bet I have a right to *****! Or are you one of those Torries who think "taxation without representation" is valid?
Past...
01-07-2008, 07:37 PM
#56
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: MD11 FO
Posts: 1,110
Just running the numbers in my head I come up with an average annual union dues of about $2500/crew member (that's probably low) and about 4500 crew members (yes I know some are on probation) - that equals about $10million a year we give to ALPA. Does that seem like an incredible amount for the support we get from ALPA? I just can't see how we (or any union in recent history) has gotten anywhere near their money's worth? Am I missing something?
01-07-2008, 07:55 PM
#57
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Retired
Posts: 3,717
Originally Posted by Tuck
Just running the numbers in my head I come up with an average annual union dues of about $2500/crew member (that's probably low) and about 4500 crew members (yes I know some are on probation) - that equals about $10million a year we give to ALPA. Does that seem like an incredible amount for the support we get from ALPA? I just can't see how we (or any union in recent history) has gotten anywhere near their money's worth? Am I missing something?
That said, it sure is a lot of money we funnel to National, of course some of it gets spent on other airlines, just like some of my homeowners insurance goes to pay for the rebuilding of an unfortunate home owner's house in Southern California or New Orleans. I guess it's a cost of doing business with a national company. I guess we could "self insure" by removing ALPA and installing an in house union, but we've tried that with even less success. All in all, the dues paid to our union are monies well spent, regardless of how we individually feel about a given issue. At least that's my take on it. Your's of course may vary.
01-07-2008, 08:18 PM
#58
done, gone skiing
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Rocking chair
Posts: 1,601
Originally Posted by PicklePausePull
Perhaps some of us have been very involved in trying to affect change. Perhaps some of us have realized that ALPA is a failed model, and that there is little if any hope to affect said changes under ALPA leadership [sic]. Some of us have also been on the receiving end of pure lies from specific FedEx ALPA committees; lies that have cost us more money than our annual dues.
There are plenty of alternatives available to FedEx pilots. I for one think ALPA is part of the problem, not a solution. I also think this pilot group is mistaken to swallow the ALPA line concerning age 65. It was not necessarily a "done deal" in Washington. Just ask the APA, SWAPA, and IPA pilot groups. ALPA had a lot to do with helping get Age 65 passed. It very well might have been tabled indefinitely if ALPA had not decided to ADVOCATE the rule change vice fight it.
There are plenty of alternatives available to FedEx pilots. I for one think ALPA is part of the problem, not a solution. I also think this pilot group is mistaken to swallow the ALPA line concerning age 65. It was not necessarily a "done deal" in Washington. Just ask the APA, SWAPA, and IPA pilot groups. ALPA had a lot to do with helping get Age 65 passed. It very well might have been tabled indefinitely if ALPA had not decided to ADVOCATE the rule change vice fight it.
01-07-2008, 08:40 PM
#59
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: MD-11
Posts: 395
Originally Posted by dckozak
Of course any position, whether determined democratically or not that runs counter to your position indicates that ALPA, national or FDX, is out of step with the wishes of, who.. you.
APA was against the change and fought it right up to the end! Perhaps ALPA's dishonesty is one of the issues that got them thrown off American's property decades ago?
01-07-2008, 10:32 PM
#60
done, gone skiing
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Rocking chair
Posts: 1,601
Please pass the (powdered) popcorn flavor
Originally Posted by PicklePausePull
..................APA was against the change and fought it right up to the end!..........
So we get it. You hate ALPA, blame it for all that (IYHO) is wrong with the profession. Why don't you quite ALPA, start your own union, get a bunch of cards printed to have ALPA de-certified by the FDX pilots, and sit by the popcorn machine in AOC handing out cards and spread your dribble. I'll be looking for you next time threw.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
