FDX: Carryover, should we have it.
01-15-2008, 05:56 AM
#21
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With the company stock price just under $84.00 a few minutes ago it seems the company should focus more on bringing in MORE revenue and less focus on cutting costs.
WOW did I just say that...............
WOW did I just say that...............
01-15-2008, 06:10 AM
#22
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Reducing carryover is terrible for guys on Reserve. Say now you carryover Rdays and get paid 20 days and get called for 30 hours worth of trips. Get rid of carryover now you are getting paid for 15 days and get called for a lot more than 30. Maybe 60 hours. Twice the work, 75% the pay. Not to mention the disputed pairings, checkrides and crummy weather that no on else wanted to fly. Much bigger hit than the guy with a line that just gets to stay home an extra few days. Plus with age 65 we will be on Reserve forever. Stay away from my small peice of the pie or crack pipe as you call it.
01-15-2008, 06:37 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by viperdriver
Reducing carryover is terrible for guys on Reserve. Say now you carryover Rdays and get paid 20 days and get called for 30 hours worth of trips. Get rid of carryover now you are getting paid for 15 days and get called for a lot more than 30. Maybe 60 hours. Twice the work, 75% the pay. Not to mention the disputed pairings, checkrides and crummy weather that no on else wanted to fly. Much bigger hit than the guy with a line that just gets to stay home an extra few days. Plus with age 65 we will be on Reserve forever. Stay away from my small peice of the pie or crack pipe as you call it.
It plays out both ways. If you reduce carry over your chance of holding a line will increase as we will have more lines. Starting the bid month on Sunday will not eliminate carry over from reserve. Just reduce it.
01-15-2008, 07:05 AM
#24
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I'm not sure about the hard on for eliminating carryover. Doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me. If you want carryover, fish in open time, trips do become available. If you don't want to do that, bid reserve. About half the lines have carryover. Of course you will work more days, but if you want carryover, most of us could get it....
But if the majority want to eliminate carryover, that would be OK with me as well.
Albie, does the union have access to any data concerning number of credit hours paid to us monthly. I would expect that number to be much higher than BLG (or RLG) due to carryover, make up, etc. About everyone I fly with these days has very full calendars. I believe we are overmanned due to the large amounts of flying done by the average pilot. Also, I have no problem with people flying as much as they want now. We aren't in negotiations and we haven't had any BLG cuts either.
But if the majority want to eliminate carryover, that would be OK with me as well.
Albie, does the union have access to any data concerning number of credit hours paid to us monthly. I would expect that number to be much higher than BLG (or RLG) due to carryover, make up, etc. About everyone I fly with these days has very full calendars. I believe we are overmanned due to the large amounts of flying done by the average pilot. Also, I have no problem with people flying as much as they want now. We aren't in negotiations and we haven't had any BLG cuts either.
01-17-2008, 10:04 AM
#25
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Originally Posted by Carlos Abundis
Most if not all airlines have carryover trips. They're necessary so the same trips can be flown any day of the month. But where other airline pilots may have 2 days of carryover because they have 3-day trips, we have 12 days of carryover because we have 13-day trips.
The problem is not the existence of carryover, but the rules that allow us to use carryover to pad our BLGs.
DW mentioned the other night that we need to start thinking about a cap-and-bank system. That means straight time would be limited to a certain amount, and any straight time over the cap (e.g. carryover) goes into a bank (presumably for dropping trips later, etc.). Draft and volunteer would still pay 1.5X.
DW said the last time he tried to advance that idea, the pitchforks started clanking....
After we go through whatever lies ahead in the next couple of years, I predict we'll be more receptive to the idea for the next contract.
The problem is not the existence of carryover, but the rules that allow us to use carryover to pad our BLGs.
DW mentioned the other night that we need to start thinking about a cap-and-bank system. That means straight time would be limited to a certain amount, and any straight time over the cap (e.g. carryover) goes into a bank (presumably for dropping trips later, etc.). Draft and volunteer would still pay 1.5X.
DW said the last time he tried to advance that idea, the pitchforks started clanking....
After we go through whatever lies ahead in the next couple of years, I predict we'll be more receptive to the idea for the next contract.
01-17-2008, 11:01 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by Knighthawk
Are you saying that straight time should be limited period? That the current system of flying as much as you want or as little as you want would go away. Personally I've worked at another airline where it was capped at 6 CH above BLG that you can picked up per month. It sucks. Not to mention you could only drop down below BLG by 6CH. What it caused was a lot of sick calls!
Would you rather have guys flying lots of carry over and M/U if we have guys on the street?
01-17-2008, 11:25 AM
#27
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Not at all!!! Just wondering who will pick up the open trips from the people who only fly 1/4-1/2 of their lines? I like the ability to fly low one month and more the next. Guess I don't have the big picture, but before anyone reduces our BLG or Caps us, I would like to see, in print, figures showing WHY this is being done. I have lots of friends within the bottom 20 of the company senority, so NO I don't want to see people picking up M/U if we have guys on the street.
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