CC...

Although it wouldn't surprise me if ups did so, it makes no sense to displace someone back to the panel (dc8) for just a short time knowing they will be trained again for the right seat. Ups could carry the extra crewmembers for now in the fo seat and do without the extra training event (or two) for the affected crewmembers. But, we're talking ups crewplanning, so all bets are off and anything is possible...

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Pilot7576

 

I think March will be fine if you want to keep slinging gear in ANC. If your in the bottom one hundred, life is going to be painful for the next year until the dust settels down.

Roberto> I am not sure what your point is when you keep saying no new hire will be displaced by a old timer. That is a false statement, indirectly maybe not, but the old timers are the root cause of this dilema no matter how you slice it. Looking at the numbers based off the current data, If everything else remains constant it will take a 07 hire until 2020 to hold Captian in ANC and probably 2023 for them to hold Capt in the lower 48.

This is the way it is and no one can change it but the fact remains that the new guys are ultimately going to be the ones that bare the brunt of this. The next contract will have to fix the F/O over ten pay scale if nothing else changes. If most of us will have to sit as an F/O for 13-19 years then the top F/O pay should reflect the change. Instead of being paid 68% of the Capt's pay, they should get paid 80%. I think this will be an issue that will need to be addressed and with the F/O's being 60-65% of the crew force I think it will be in 2012.

 

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I think UPS would love to carry extra positions but the contract does not allow it. If a extra position is avail then based on the contract it will have to be up for bid.

 

From what I can see, we've got at least 60 folks still on probation as of July 2008. It's my understanding that even if those folks signed a 3-yr contract for ANC domicile with move package, they are not protected because they are still on probation.

The contract looks like it reads that the Company can move anybody on probation anywhere they want at any time, so far as I can figure.

Does this figure in to UPS planning?

 

That goes with the territory in a seniority based system. At my 8-year point, I received a CPT award and was subsequently displaced (before training) and waited 2 more years for the first available CPT at 10-year's longevity. I've been here 17 years (almost) and have seen many of these displacement goat ropes. There will be more for years to come.

 

I'll concede that prediction to you. I kinda give up after a year or two <g>.

 

UPS motto: We're not happy until you're not happy.

 

Go Shaggy go!!

I nominate Shaggy for the contract negotiating team!

 

Awww, I will feel really bad for them....LOL! I guess they'll have to.....you know...."deal with it"


Sorry, couldn't help myself. Ok, back to digging up that cookie recipe for Roberto.

 

I agree completely. I have written this on other threads before but I don't know if you saw this. I had a capt. tell me (right after negotiations) that I shouldn't worry about FO pay here because I will be a capt. longer. I'd love to run into him now....LOL!