Fred Smith is being considered by John McCain...
07-31-2008, 10:12 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Capt America
Call me idealistic but I vote as a citizen first and that responsibility out weighs me as a pilot. I am sure that there are more important things to consider above your job when you cast your ballot.
07-31-2008, 10:34 AM
#22
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[QUOTE=jungle;436522]
It is alway an easy assumption and an incorrect one to assume that government controls the economy. If it happens to do well under a certain administration, the party takes credit.
The truth is that governments only cause economic distress by intervention in free markets, high rates of taxation and out of control spending. I wouldn't expect you to glean that from Mcpaper though.
Like I said.
Originally Posted by MEMA300
It is alway an easy assumption and an incorrect one to assume that government controls the economy. If it happens to do well under a certain administration, the party takes credit.
The truth is that governments only cause economic distress by intervention in free markets, high rates of taxation and out of control spending. I wouldn't expect you to glean that from Mcpaper though.
07-31-2008, 10:51 AM
#23
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[quote=MEMA300;436517]
That is by far the silliest stat ever compiled. Why pick 1910 as the start point? What would his chart say if you started with 1950? The policies of todays democrats are not the same as JFK, Roosevelt, or even Slick Willie who all cut the capital gains tax. Todays Republicans are not the same as Nixon and Ford who both raised the tax.
Originally Posted by jungle
I'll wake up if you will study the cause and effect of a strong economy and a thriving business with regard to wages. This can never be generated by some man behind the curtain in Washington.
USATODAY.com - Democrats or Republicans? Just the facts
So, are you implying that republicans control the economy better than democrats? The FACTS do not agree with you. Of course right wingers never let the facts get in the way of an argument.
USATODAY.com - Democrats or Republicans? Just the facts
So, are you implying that republicans control the economy better than democrats? The FACTS do not agree with you. Of course right wingers never let the facts get in the way of an argument.
07-31-2008, 10:52 AM
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[QUOTE=MEMA300;436538]
Like I said.
I am delighted that you are reading, but if you'd like to sink your teeth into a work with some real facts try this: Federal Revenue and Spending Budget Chart Book
The conclusion is that both parties have taxed and spent this nation into a very dire position. To argue over degree of wrongdoing at this time by either party is just an exercise in moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic.
The size of the calamity is hardly ever mentioned in the popular press.
Originally Posted by jungle
Like I said.
The conclusion is that both parties have taxed and spent this nation into a very dire position. To argue over degree of wrongdoing at this time by either party is just an exercise in moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic.
The size of the calamity is hardly ever mentioned in the popular press.
07-31-2008, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by gremlin
This is a shame because the truth is that in the 11th hour Bill Clinton called APA and asked Jim Sovitch, then APA president, if he would object to intervening in the strike. Sovitch did not object. Personally I believe Sovitch didn't want to test the resolve of SOME of his pilots and live with the resultant scabs and division that exists at United.
Since then Republican pilots have used this as the ONLY example that it doesn't matter which party occupies the White House. And they simply dismiss the fact that, during the Clinton Administration, other strikes, particularly Northwest pilots, occurred resulting in the biggest gains for pilot unions since deregulation.
Look at the strikes that were "allowed" to occur during the Bush II Administration. Only groups that had a good chance of getting busted were released into the cooling off period. Polar pilots could not strike a large number of flights since they were DOD, Northwest mechanics were simply busted and replaced. The Comair pilots are my heros for the bravery they showed in sticking out for so long and surviving.
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Since then Republican pilots have used this as the ONLY example that it doesn't matter which party occupies the White House. And they simply dismiss the fact that, during the Clinton Administration, other strikes, particularly Northwest pilots, occurred resulting in the biggest gains for pilot unions since deregulation.
Look at the strikes that were "allowed" to occur during the Bush II Administration. Only groups that had a good chance of getting busted were released into the cooling off period. Polar pilots could not strike a large number of flights since they were DOD, Northwest mechanics were simply busted and replaced. The Comair pilots are my heros for the bravery they showed in sticking out for so long and surviving.
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07-31-2008, 01:06 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by Capt America
Call me idealistic but I vote as a citizen first and that responsibility out weighs me as a pilot. I am sure that there are more important things to consider above your job when you cast your ballot.
07-31-2008, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Capt America
Call me idealistic but I vote as a citizen first and that responsibility out weighs me as a pilot. I am sure that there are more important things to consider above your job when you cast your ballot.
07-31-2008, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by koz2000
But the job that's still worth going to will now give you a paycheck that is so heavily taxed that it really isn't worth going to anymore.
07-31-2008, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MD Abuser
Tell that to all of those people who are out of work and on welfare. Tell that to all of the homeless veterans and other citizens. Kind of hard to be a good citizen when you can't provide for the basic necessities of your family.
Originally Posted by MD Abuser
Let's see...pay more taxes or have a job where you have no rights or protections as McCain proposed under his baseball arbitration bill?
07-31-2008, 02:09 PM
#30
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Originally Posted by jungle
I'm guessing you are rooting for the people who proudly display the Che posters in their office. A brief study of history from 1917 onward will quickly rid you of the illusion that strong economies are the product of worker's paradises framed on the precept of "...each according to his need..."
