It's About the Process (FDX)
10-30-2008 | 03:16 PM
#32
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 292
Likes: 0
From: FedEx Capt
10-30-2008 | 05:34 PM
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 609
Likes: 0
george is a friend....great guy....i used to have lunch with him when i volunteered at the FPA.....i still have my "talk to george" pin!
10-30-2008 | 07:34 PM
#34
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 494
Likes: 0
From: 777 CAP
When I received the union email announcing the resignation of FE, something smelled fishy and rather than speculate as to what happened, I decided to call FE directly, and learn what I could from his perspective. What I was told, was that without warning the MEC Chairman basically asked him to step down and more specifically to do so under the guise of personal reasons. FE, to his credit, refused to be coerced into lying to the MEC and after some deep soul searching, ultimately decided that since he had lost the confidence of the Chairman, with his credibility and effectiveness undermined before the MEC, it would be best to offer his resignation.
After that discussion, I called my MEC representative. He said that the MEC had this issue dropped in their laps without warning and after much consternation; ultimately felt that rather than cause chaos among the pilots by forcing a recall of the Chairman, they would try to make this go as smooth as possible by accepting FE’s resignation. (A serious breach of the responsibility entrusted to them by the electorate in my view). Sadly, despite their protestations, their vote was unanimous to accept the resignation. Go figure?
What would they (MEC) have to fear from a lame duck MEC Chairman? Why would they care about a recall effort that would arguably run up against the time he has left in office? Why do they need to vote on accepting FE's resignation if he is "quitting"? *** is wrong with these (ALL) guys?
After that discussion, I called my MEC representative. He said that the MEC had this issue dropped in their laps without warning and after much consternation; ultimately felt that rather than cause chaos among the pilots by forcing a recall of the Chairman, they would try to make this go as smooth as possible by accepting FE’s resignation. (A serious breach of the responsibility entrusted to them by the electorate in my view). Sadly, despite their protestations, their vote was unanimous to accept the resignation. Go figure?
What would they (MEC) have to fear from a lame duck MEC Chairman? Why would they care about a recall effort that would arguably run up against the time he has left in office? Why do they need to vote on accepting FE's resignation if he is "quitting"? *** is wrong with these (ALL) guys?
11-03-2008 | 03:10 PM
#36
"blue collar thug"!
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,614
Likes: 0
From: A proponent of...
Thats a big 10-4. All Reps, if what is said really went down, should be up in arms, and should have told DW no friggin way. Lemmings, in my opinion. I could state why I feel that way, but that would be explaining the obvious.
11-05-2008 | 04:20 PM
#37
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 505
Likes: 0
Any truth
Overheard.....I hear the company offered a small raise for 777 pay and in exchange they wanted all the blended work rules back. FE said NO and DW said that was not the way to play. They give we give. Since you don't play by the give a little rules...Now you go.
Since NO was exactly the answer FE should have given is there any truth to this? Of course, all of this would be moot if what we were told in the contract sales pitches was true. Don't worry about the contract not specifically saying Ultra Long Haul...we have an off the table agreement. We'll be covered. Yeah Right.
Since NO was exactly the answer FE should have given is there any truth to this? Of course, all of this would be moot if what we were told in the contract sales pitches was true. Don't worry about the contract not specifically saying Ultra Long Haul...we have an off the table agreement. We'll be covered. Yeah Right.
11-05-2008 | 07:00 PM
#38
Slainge Var'
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,530
Likes: 0
From: Zeppelin Tail Gunner
Abuse, I actually believe it's good to have you here, very good. You have 41 posts which fall into three categories, defending DW and his crowd, defending management, or defending yourself against charges that you are management. (I'm not counting the one where you said I was despicable but we can make it four if we need to). Having said all that, your posts are needed here. There are two sides to every story and your questions elicit better and more coherant answers. I'm not sure if you've bought in, or are just playing devil's advocate but keep it up.
11-06-2008 | 04:43 PM
#39
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 257
Likes: 0
From: A300 Captain
Well it's been awhile since posting, but felt it was time. The anti DW crowd seems to have gathered steam all owing to the usual lack of communication coming from the Union. Before you all jump on the the bandwagon you aren't asking the right questions of your reps. Ask them if they knew there was trouble with FE prior to "the firing". If they say no, they're lying to you; they knew but didn't have the balls to solve the problem themselves and when DW had to do the dirty work they all let him, because they didn't want to get their hands dirty. Ask them if they were not put on the phone with FE at the Vegas board meeting and DW leaving the room so they could address the problem at hand. If they say no, they're lying to you. The lack of information is actually trying to protect someone's pride or face. The little information coming out is that there was an integrity problem which all of you know can not be allowed in these jobs where trust is paramount. The reason it's not coming out would cause a serious loss of face to a certain individual, so what would you have your leader do, smear somebody through the mud in public or do what needs to be done and take the heat for it. all the while not being backed up by the spineless MEC.
Now to say there is nobody that would rise up to fill this incredibly important position I propose the past NC Vice Chair Gustafson. There isn't a better candidate, he just needed a break after last time to get some wind under his sails. He know's the job, the protocols, the players and would make an incredible NC Chair. For those small number of you (out of the whole crew force) calling for mass executions of DW DM and WRs heads I would say be careful what you wish for. I know each of these individuals and their integrity is as high as I've ever witnessed. Does this mean they haven't done a thing or two I haven't agreed with (age 60) to be exact? No, but remember the MEC went along with it. If you need to be pi$$ed at anybody it's the spineless MEC. Always has been dating back to the cave on the parking lot deal. In my witness DW and his talents are the only thing that that have not allowed ultimate chaos like every other leadership group we've had here and on that note DM is a worthy successor, but will have huge shoes to fill. Now to all you lurkers here I would say always question what these few posters are saying just like you should be questioning your MEC.
Now to say there is nobody that would rise up to fill this incredibly important position I propose the past NC Vice Chair Gustafson. There isn't a better candidate, he just needed a break after last time to get some wind under his sails. He know's the job, the protocols, the players and would make an incredible NC Chair. For those small number of you (out of the whole crew force) calling for mass executions of DW DM and WRs heads I would say be careful what you wish for. I know each of these individuals and their integrity is as high as I've ever witnessed. Does this mean they haven't done a thing or two I haven't agreed with (age 60) to be exact? No, but remember the MEC went along with it. If you need to be pi$$ed at anybody it's the spineless MEC. Always has been dating back to the cave on the parking lot deal. In my witness DW and his talents are the only thing that that have not allowed ultimate chaos like every other leadership group we've had here and on that note DM is a worthy successor, but will have huge shoes to fill. Now to all you lurkers here I would say always question what these few posters are saying just like you should be questioning your MEC.
11-06-2008 | 08:58 PM
#40
Line Holder
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,371
Likes: 12
Well it's been awhile since posting, but felt it was time. The anti DW crowd seems to have gathered steam all owing to the usual lack of communication coming from the Union. Before you all jump on the the bandwagon you aren't asking the right questions of your reps. Ask them if they knew there was trouble with FE prior to "the firing". If they say no, they're lying to you; they knew but didn't have the balls to solve the problem themselves and when DW had to do the dirty work they all let him, because they didn't want to get their hands dirty. Ask them if they were not put on the phone with FE at the Vegas board meeting and DW leaving the room so they could address the problem at hand. If they say no, they're lying to you. The lack of information is actually trying to protect someone's pride or face. The little information coming out is that there was an integrity problem which all of you know can not be allowed in these jobs where trust is paramount. The reason it's not coming out would cause a serious loss of face to a certain individual, so what would you have your leader do, smear somebody through the mud in public or do what needs to be done and take the heat for it. all the while not being backed up by the spineless MEC.
Now to say there is nobody that would rise up to fill this incredibly important position I propose the past NC Vice Chair Gustafson. There isn't a better candidate, he just needed a break after last time to get some wind under his sails. He know's the job, the protocols, the players and would make an incredible NC Chair. For those small number of you (out of the whole crew force) calling for mass executions of DW DM and WRs heads I would say be careful what you wish for. I know each of these individuals and their integrity is as high as I've ever witnessed. Does this mean they haven't done a thing or two I haven't agreed with (age 60) to be exact? No, but remember the MEC went along with it. If you need to be pi$$ed at anybody it's the spineless MEC. Always has been dating back to the cave on the parking lot deal. In my witness DW and his talents are the only thing that that have not allowed ultimate chaos like every other leadership group we've had here and on that note DM is a worthy successor, but will have huge shoes to fill. Now to all you lurkers here I would say always question what these few posters are saying just like you should be questioning your MEC.
Now to say there is nobody that would rise up to fill this incredibly important position I propose the past NC Vice Chair Gustafson. There isn't a better candidate, he just needed a break after last time to get some wind under his sails. He know's the job, the protocols, the players and would make an incredible NC Chair. For those small number of you (out of the whole crew force) calling for mass executions of DW DM and WRs heads I would say be careful what you wish for. I know each of these individuals and their integrity is as high as I've ever witnessed. Does this mean they haven't done a thing or two I haven't agreed with (age 60) to be exact? No, but remember the MEC went along with it. If you need to be pi$$ed at anybody it's the spineless MEC. Always has been dating back to the cave on the parking lot deal. In my witness DW and his talents are the only thing that that have not allowed ultimate chaos like every other leadership group we've had here and on that note DM is a worthy successor, but will have huge shoes to fill. Now to all you lurkers here I would say always question what these few posters are saying just like you should be questioning your MEC.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
