UPS Vacancy bid?
01-09-2009 | 06:16 PM
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1 train carries as much as 1000 airplanes. There is little cost savings to replace 1 conductor. It takes 2000 pilots to fly 1000 airplanes. There is huge cost savings replacing pilots.
Also, not all UAVs require pilots. The Global Hawk in the USAF is an automated aircraft. Single operators, not pilots, can control it and dozens of others using a computer keyboard, not a control stick. Picture a dispatcher updating flight plans in real time for several unmanned 747s over the Pacific.
Also, not all UAVs require pilots. The Global Hawk in the USAF is an automated aircraft. Single operators, not pilots, can control it and dozens of others using a computer keyboard, not a control stick. Picture a dispatcher updating flight plans in real time for several unmanned 747s over the Pacific.
01-09-2009 | 08:16 PM
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Don't know about you but I've seen enough problems and glitches over the years with today's so called "automated glass" aircraft which require pilot intervention to not want any unmanned fully loaded 747's flying over populated cities. There's a reason UAV's only fly over war zones.
Next, UAVs fly over populated areas every day. They are in the traffic pattern area around Sacramento and N Cali and around Vegas. This issue should be priority 1 for the next FDX and UPS contracts.
01-10-2009 | 12:40 AM
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1 train carries as much as 1000 airplanes. There is little cost savings to replace 1 conductor. It takes 2000 pilots to fly 1000 airplanes. There is huge cost savings replacing pilots.
Also, not all UAVs require pilots. The Global Hawk in the USAF is an automated aircraft. Single operators, not pilots, can control it and dozens of others using a computer keyboard, not a control stick. Picture a dispatcher updating flight plans in real time for several unmanned 747s over the Pacific.
Also, not all UAVs require pilots. The Global Hawk in the USAF is an automated aircraft. Single operators, not pilots, can control it and dozens of others using a computer keyboard, not a control stick. Picture a dispatcher updating flight plans in real time for several unmanned 747s over the Pacific.
01-10-2009 | 06:12 AM
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Back to the thread topic...rookie question here. Can each fleet's list of pilots be expanded via a displacement bid, or do you have to have a vacancy bid first? I.E., if UPS decides to displace and expand the cadre of A300 F/O's from 200 to 230, do the extra 30 spots have to show up on a vacancy bid first? I know I should read the contract, but I'd rather decipher Chinese military code in my spare time.
Thanks, B2P
Thanks, B2P
01-10-2009 | 07:38 AM
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No offense to you, sir, but an A-300 is not exactly modern anymore. Not with the Commodore 64 FMS we have at UPS. The 757s we have are 1st generation as well and even the 747-400s are very old technology.
Next, UAVs fly over populated areas every day. They are in the traffic pattern area around Sacramento and N Cali and around Vegas. This issue should be priority 1 for the next FDX and UPS contracts.
Next, UAVs fly over populated areas every day. They are in the traffic pattern area around Sacramento and N Cali and around Vegas. This issue should be priority 1 for the next FDX and UPS contracts.
The A300 is not the first or only glass aircraft I've flown nor was I comparing it to the technology in the much newer UAV's. Heck, I can't even compare it to the newer Cessna 172's! However, reports suggest the newer UAV's crash on a regular basis. I just don't think unmanned cargo jets flying around busy airspace and city skies are ready for prime time...YET.
01-10-2009 | 02:24 PM
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UAVs?
I love this UAV talk. Despite what the USAF can do with UAVs we have to be (believe it or not) thankful for the upwards of 25% of the US population that believe there was some kind of conspiracy with 9/11. A portion of these enlightened folks 
think somehow the Boeings were "hacked into" and remotely flown into the buildings. Their outcry over browntail 747 UAVs flying overhead that could get "hacked into" should put it off until after I am retired and likely longer after that.
As for my 4 year-old son, I am not recommending a career in aviation (UAVs or not.)
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think somehow the Boeings were "hacked into" and remotely flown into the buildings. Their outcry over browntail 747 UAVs flying overhead that could get "hacked into" should put it off until after I am retired and likely longer after that.As for my 4 year-old son, I am not recommending a career in aviation (UAVs or not.)
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01-10-2009 | 02:42 PM
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Despite the fact that Fedex and UPS WILL be the first civilian customers of this technology, the question is when (IMHO some 20 years from now)....the critical hold up is the infrastucture not the technology. They can already fly half way around the world unrefueled and land on an aircraft carrier, but our lousy infrastructure can't support manned flight, let alone some drone.
Try feeding an unmanned vehicle into the MEM/SDF sort during weather, let alone the airway system, or any high density traffic area, unless you have a fighter flying CAP for them to clear the way, it just ain't gonna happen.
I'd find another more pertinent subject like how we'll take care of our bretheren if any reduction in workforce happens, to chicken little about.
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Try feeding an unmanned vehicle into the MEM/SDF sort during weather, let alone the airway system, or any high density traffic area, unless you have a fighter flying CAP for them to clear the way, it just ain't gonna happen.
I'd find another more pertinent subject like how we'll take care of our bretheren if any reduction in workforce happens, to chicken little about.
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01-10-2009 | 02:42 PM
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Yikes. I hope I have not reached Biggs status with my doom and gloom posts about unmanned cargo. I got started researching it a year ago when a Favre I was flying with on the 747 said that I should be glad that age 65 changed since it'll give me extra years at the top of the pay scale. I told him that I was in my early 30s and doubted that there would be manned cargo planes in the 2030s flying for UPS.
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