Gunter

You may be tired of hearing about the legal ramifications, but they are still there and could cripple our union if they do or say the wrong thing. Why? Because the steps leading up to and actual furlough are not considered illegal by a court of law. But a work action outside of RLA boundries is.

I do not wish to pay a special legal assessment in addition to my regular dues, thank you very much. I have no problem doing what is right without the leadership making a statement directing me to do so. You can think for yourself, right?

If you want to do the right thing do not be swayed by those who do not. You can only affect your own morality. Believe it or not a siginficant, but perhaps small by your standards, group of people are individually deciding to spend more time with their families. Without guidance from anyone but themselves.

So which side are you on???

FDXLAG

I'll tell you what you just point me to the LEC E Mail that says don't fly DPs and I'll do the rest. I do not believe that anybody that works for ALPA got something by the lawyers that could be construed as a job action.

FDXLAG

Maybe, but I have no doubt that if no one bid the 777 we would have a payscale. And if no one flew extra we would not be threatened with furlough. Think what you want.

Oceanside11

FR8, you are hopeless. Are you sure you aren't management? I feel like you are saying "shared sacrifice is a sham....everyone fly extra if you can get it!" I have some negative things I'd like to say about your way of thinking but I've thrown too many rocks lately so I'll keep this one in my pocket.

I'll be succinct. You're dead wrong.

FR8Hauler

This is exactly what I am saying. "Which side are you on" what a stupid thing to say. I am not senior enough to game the system if I wanted to. Don't give me the morality bilge. What does some guy flying a make up trip have to do with him not wanting to spend time with his family? All I have said is that a few guys trying to do some home grown movement is noble but in my opinion is a waste of time without the endorsement of the union. Enough said, I'm done wasting my time. Good luck. Why don't you write DW and try to get his support? I've got news for you, you won't get it because this policy has been coveted by senior guys for years protecting their carryover and DW is a senior guy who looks out for his buddies' interests. I brought this up 2 years ago to my rep and was told it is a good deal for some people and would not be changed. Now all of the sudden in the last couple months it has become a crisis and they are jumping on the band wagon. All I have said in the past is that I do not blame a guy who is looking at getting furloughed for trying to burn his make up bank before he heads out the door. So that makes me some kind of management sympathizer?

FR8Hauler

Ok, I'm hopeless because I think having your name calling witch hunt on the internet is wrong. It is your opinion that these guys are doing something wrong. And trust me I think I am pretty far from being asked to join the management team.

FDXLAG

His point is the "union" can not legally say don't fly extra or protect min days off. It is against the law. It would subject them personally and professionally to legal action. They could lose their house. They could lose their cars. They could lose their country club membership. More important it could cost me $10K in an assessment.

Just like they can't say call in sick next Tuesday or don't fly DPs.

FR8Hauler

Very true but like the information on disputed pairings that is put out they can explain the detriment caused to our scheduling system by protecting your carryover during these hard economic times. My point is I am not convinced this is what they want.

fedupbusdriver

Hey, I've got an idea. If anyone is not sure what the union would like them to do at a time like this, why don't they call their Rep and ask. Just remember, don't ask the question if you do not want to hear the answer.

iarapilot

That IS the bottom line! PERIOD!!