Airbum

757 u are right, 777f's would decrease the need for pilots at UPS allowing them to shrink the workforce. The MDs using two pilots do the work of what used to be six pilots on many domestic runs.

Sideshow Bob

Actually the newest HOT rumor on the SS side of the house is a massive layoff of managers. There are already high level talks to, instead of perhaps losing managers to IPA in a public court food fight they will simply remove them from the table by laying them off to take away that hammer from a new administration that is going after them. Plus it gives the air group bragging rights in ATL about cutting unit costs since the excess IPA pilots can easily pick up the slack, and they also have additional reserves if needed as they can cancel future RDG. And the junior guys having dodged the bullet will be grateful to have a job (and no more reduced pay since RDG will be cancelled-returned to full pay) they will have far better attitudes than the MRB writing/higher cost drones that will soon hit the street. PLUS the remaining magazine straighteners will cower for their lives!

You heard it here first...

320Driver

SB- I've heard something very close to that from two different sources. There have been some interesting Management movements recently, and the rumor is S Davis's right hand man is appalled by the number of Managers vs. Pilots. The training "float" is not even close to done, and there's strong speculation is a 777 announcement coming in the near future. UPS will wring as much as they can from the IPA, then come up with an agreement that makes everyone look good. If I were a Manager, I'd be VERY nervous...

Sideshow Bob

JUST got a text saying ALL but 80 of them are history.

Shedding tears like you wouldn't believe.

UPSFO4LIFE

As much as I would like to see far far less managers here, some of these people are actually not too bad. I hate to see anyone lose their job, but better those guys than us if it comes to that.

CheyDogFlies

Maybe we can start MOU3 right now and get a collection going for the managers. That way we can keep the poor management souls in the AMT for 2010.

Priority 3

Seriously? Wow. Lots of good guys in management.

How will they cut them, date-of-hire? Likability? Kool Aid drinkers last to go?

L'il J.Seinfeld

There are tons of managers hired in late 2005 and 2006. Atlanta is always distressed because the airline has new hire managers making near 200k. It makes perfect sense to thin those ranks. However, I think if they lay off all but 80 managers the furlough could be on the horizon. They pulled the plug on the 727, 747, and -8 very quickly so who knows.

peredavi

How many are there,about 270?

MountyFlyer

Maybe it is the other way around Lil J. Maybe by getting rid of the managers combined with MOU savings reduces costs that ATL is looking for. Instead of getting rid of IPA pilots that directly make the company money, get rid of "management" overhead as a better way to achieve savings while maintaining flexibility regarding pilot staffing levels. The company did announce an overall reduction of 1800 management types throughout the system. It is possible they accept the MOU and get rid of Manglers.