FDX-Is anyone hearing these rumors?
05-07-2010, 07:45 AM
#21
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4.A.2.b. has (essentially) ended already....
Originally Posted by bleedairpacks
Please let 4a2b go away. 
Originally Posted by adqrip
.... I'll believe 4a2b is gone when I see my check
Originally Posted by trashhauler
What is really ****ing me off is the fact that the arbitrator has still not made a decision. We filed the grievance in Feb '09 and still no resolution. Talking about a system that is broken and unfairly favors the company. Of course management knew this and that is why they pressed to test. Totally disgusting!!!!!
I posted this on another thread:
Originally Posted by AFW_MD11
The union negotiated Settlement Agreement 09-03 which will most likely end 4.A.2.b. in July. They don't need to be "yelling at the top of their lungs" any more because of the Settlement Agreement.
Besides.....4.A.2.b. was all about (ONLY about) the company's way of manipulating the contract language in order to not be required to buy up lines to the 4.A.1. minimums - ALL ABOUT stealing our contractually guaranteed minimum pay.
Since they are already buying up lines again (under the Settlement Agreement) - 4.A.2.b. is pretty much a moo point
at this point anyway.
The REAL question that still remains is how much (if any) retro payback we're going to get awarded by the arbitrator of the buy-up money the company has stolen from us during the course of their bogus implementation of 4.A.2.b.
Beyond that, we don't really gain anything more when 4.A.2.b. "ends" - do we?
Besides.....4.A.2.b. was all about (ONLY about) the company's way of manipulating the contract language in order to not be required to buy up lines to the 4.A.1. minimums - ALL ABOUT stealing our contractually guaranteed minimum pay.
Since they are already buying up lines again (under the Settlement Agreement) - 4.A.2.b. is pretty much a moo point
at this point anyway.The REAL question that still remains is how much (if any) retro payback we're going to get awarded by the arbitrator of the buy-up money the company has stolen from us during the course of their bogus implementation of 4.A.2.b.
Beyond that, we don't really gain anything more when 4.A.2.b. "ends" - do we?
05-07-2010, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by trashhauler
What is really ****ing me off is the fact that the arbitrator has still not made a decision. We filed the grievance in Feb '09 and still no resolution. Talking about a system that is broken and unfairly favors the company. Of course management knew this and that is why they pressed to test. Totally disgusting!!!!!
B777 rates, 4a2b, ... never forget.
05-07-2010, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by KnightFlyer
Unethical
B777 rates, 4a2b, ... never forget.
B777 rates, 4a2b, ... never forget.
Purple Promised?
05-07-2010, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Lippy
You guys do understand that 4.a.2.b is never "going away." It will only be temporarily "not in use" from time to time.
05-07-2010, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuck
until we remove/adjust it at the next contract negotiations
05-07-2010, 02:15 PM
#27
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Well.............I hate this thought........but, since 4.a.2.b is in the contract and therefore status quo, what will the Company ask for in negotiations to change it? Vacation, Retirement, Health Care? The only way I see out of this dilemma is for us to collectively, red-facedly say "4.a.2.b is in the same category (just opposite) as Vaca., Retirement, and Health care. If you don't remove it, it's deal breaker." 
05-07-2010, 03:54 PM
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4a2b was originally voted on with the intent that before anyone can be furloughed, the BLG's must drop to the numbers listed, and we must operate the system form across the board as such. Unfortunately it was b*stardized by mgmt into cherry-picking the numbers to massage the system form so they could save money. Lots of it.
it's still a good idea, in its original inception and intent. Some safeguards could be thrown in to make sure this doesn't happen again, but let's not give anything up for it. (yeah, right...)
Just my $.02...
it's still a good idea, in its original inception and intent. Some safeguards could be thrown in to make sure this doesn't happen again, but let's not give anything up for it. (yeah, right...)
Just my $.02...
05-07-2010, 04:58 PM
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