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Old 12-12-2014, 08:17 PM
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No to all of those ?s. You start day one at 6 am "on call" not duty and remain "on call" until you either a.) Get called or b.) Go on days off. There are no trips to bid just days off. You can sell days off if the company needs extra pilots and you happen to be off that day. There is no scheduled flying to bid. its all on demand flying. (30min call out).



Ps. please dont turn this into a debate on 24hr "on call" being illegal. Its not. At least not in this business. The fsdo is next door and i'm pretty sure they know how it works after 20 yrs and they dont have a problem with it.
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Old 12-12-2014, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kodiakallstar View Post
No to all of those ?s. You start day one at 6 am "on call" not duty and remain "on call" until you either a.) Get called or b.) Go on days off. There are no trips to bid just days off. You can sell days off if the company needs extra pilots and you happen to be off that day. There is no scheduled flying to bid. its all on demand flying. (30min call out).



Ps. please dont turn this into a debate on 24hr "on call" being illegal. Its not. At least not in this business. The fsdo is next door and i'm pretty sure they know how it works after 20 yrs and they dont have a problem with it.
What time do u duty off on the last day?
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Old 12-13-2014, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by kodiakallstar View Post
please don't turn this into a debate on 24hr "on call" being illegal. Its not. At least not in this business. The fsdo is next door and i'm pretty sure they know how it works after 20 yrs and they don't have a problem with it.
Of course the Feds know how it works but they're turning the other cheek. The Feds are being paid off by the these local Supplemental nonsked airlines (IFL, USAJET and Kalitta Charters). The only airline up there who doesn't do continual 24 HR reserve is Kalitta Air. The pilots had to negotiate it into their contract to put a stop to it.
The reason these airlines don't want to have their pilots do reserve in 12 hour shifts is because they will have double the amount of crews and they don't want to spend the money.
One of those airlines only has one crew per aircraft. And that's with nobody out sick, nobody on vacation, nobody in training.
Continual 24 HR reserve 6 days a week is illegal. According to the FAA, RESERVE IS DUTY.
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Old 12-13-2014, 08:11 AM
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Of course the Feds know how it works but they're turning the other cheek. The Feds are being paid off by the these local Supplemental nonsked airlines (IFL, USAJET and Kalitta Charters). The only airline up there who doesn't do continual 24 HR reserve is Kalitta Air. The pilots had to negotiate it into their contract to put a stop to it.
The reason these airlines don't want to have their pilots do reserve in 12 hour shifts is because they will have double the amount of crews and they don't want to spend the money.
One of those airlines only has one crew per aircraft. And that's with nobody out sick, nobody on vacation, nobody in training.
Continual 24 HR reserve 6 days a week is illegal. According to the FAA, RESERVE IS DUTY.
Are you suggesting that the FSDO is actually taking bribes - or are you using the terms 'turing the other cheek' and 'being paid' off in another, less literal, manner?
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Old 12-13-2014, 12:37 PM
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You go off at 6am after your last day so you are donating 6 hrs of your time to the company there.
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Old 12-13-2014, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR View Post
Are you suggesting that the FSDO is actually taking bribes - or are you using the terms 'turing the other cheek' and 'being paid' off in another, less literal, manner?
He's suggesting you call up Steve Talbot (734)487-7252 and ask him him if he is either a chump or just another 100% incompetent FAA employee coasting his way to retirement on the taxpayer dime. Do it the way you would ask one of your Sgt Instructors from Quantico the same question for best results.

Everyone in that office, from the janitors, to the POIs, to Stevie Wonder at the top are very motivated to just be dumb, count their $$$, and look the other way.

And they excel at it.
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Old 12-13-2014, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Morpheus1 View Post
He's suggesting you call up Steve Talbot (734)487-7252 and ask him him if he is either a chump or just another 100% incompetent FAA employee coasting his way to retirement on the taxpayer dime. Do it the way you would ask one of your Sgt Instructors from Quantico the same question for best results.

Everyone in that office, from the janitors, to the POIs, to Stevie Wonder at the top are very motivated to just be dumb, count their $$$, and look the other way.

And they excel at it.
He isn't suggesting I call anyone, but I'll wait to hear from 727CA directly.

If there really is any proof of federal employees taking bribes then I suggest you contact the proper law enforcement.

The rest sounds like some serious sour grapes.
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Old 12-14-2014, 03:22 AM
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I was grateful to become 121 current and qualified , and the DC-9 especially the -15 was fun, but 4 months with them was all I could stand, 6 were in my new hire class , I think everyone was gone after 6 months.
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Old 12-14-2014, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR View Post
Are you suggesting that the FSDO is actually taking bribes
I've never seen anyone take bribes personally, I'm just repeating what has been said up there for years
Turning the other cheek? It's apparent that they are. When a crew calls fatigued, the company and the POI gets a copy of the report and when it shows you've had a 30 hour duty day, that should raise a flag. They read the report, but the practice is not stopped.

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I suggest you contact the proper law enforcement.
Over the years, there have been anonymous letters sent to the feds in OKC and Washington about this 24 hour reserve, and there have been investigation (s) but nothing is ever found because the companies are careful not to publish a written schedule showing the pilots on 24 hour reserve.

When you have a 30 minute call out, this is more of a "standby" than "reserve". If you're on reserve all week, how do you regulate your sleep so that you will be fit for flight if you're called.
When it's slow, you have crews doing 144 hours of reserve straight.
These companies don't consider reserve as being duty, but they want you to answer your phone. If you have to answer your phone, you're responsible to the company and you're on duty.
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