Originally Posted by 727574drvr

Pilot7576, Thank you and I understand how you guys feel. Maybe in your next contract something can be done about this; of course they will want the pound of flesh in return. Just as a little different perspective, consider this. We have 80,000 Airline Transport Pilots in this country. I mean the ATP's who do this for a living. There are about 7,500 of the 80k that have been on the street for quite sometime. We are talking about +3 years. The 7,500 I am speaking about have some (what I consider) pretty strong credentials; +10,000 TT, +8,000 Narrow/Wide Body, +5,000 N/W Body PIC (add about 4k each to that for me). 7,500 sounds like a bunch of numbers but WE are not numbers. WE still require O2, food, water, heat, pressure (14.7psi preferred) to live. WE are your collegues, co-workers, some of us life long friends that people don't call anymore due to embarrassment or shame, because they might have to face the reality that this could have easily happened to them. WE are out of unemployment (or imminent), house in foreclosure (sold mine), lights/phone off every other month. WE don't want sympathy: WE want to work to provide for our families. If nothing else, WE are not numbers, WE are fellow Human Beings. This is a sad fact right now. Pilot7576, if you would, do me one favor, do this. The next time you hear someone say "I hate this F%$#ing Place!!!", take a deep breath, pause, and ask this person when they are calm; would they like to trade places with my friends or me? Pilot7576, Should our paths ever cross, I'll buy you a cup of coffee or adult beverage which ever the situation calls for. Our opinions are pretty much the same, just different life situations, that neither had any control of to begin with. Have a great flight, see ya around the campfire, L.

Originally Posted by Pilot7576

727574drvr...

Although not meeting the exact definition, I would consider anyone hired as such into management to be a scab.

Frats,

Pilot7576

Originally Posted by 727574drvr

Pilot7576, Thank you and I understand how you guys feel. Maybe in your next contract something can be done about this; of course they will want the pound of flesh in return. Just as a little different perspective, consider this. We have 80,000 Airline Transport Pilots in this country. I mean the ATP's who do this for a living. There are about 7,500 of the 80k that have been on the street for quite sometime. We are talking about +3 years. The 7,500 I am speaking about have some (what I consider) pretty strong credentials; +10,000 TT, +8,000 Narrow/Wide Body, +5,000 N/W Body PIC (add about 4k each to that for me). 7,500 sounds like a bunch of numbers but WE are not numbers. WE still require O2, food, water, heat, pressure (14.7psi preferred) to live. WE are your collegues, co-workers, some of us life long friends that people don't call anymore due to embarrassment or shame, because they might have to face the reality that this could have easily happened to them. WE are out of unemployment (or imminent), house in foreclosure (sold mine), lights/phone off every other month. WE don't want sympathy: WE want to work to provide for our families. If nothing else, WE are not numbers, WE are fellow Human Beings. This is a sad fact right now. Pilot7576, if you would, do me one favor, do this. The next time you hear someone say "I hate this F%$#ing Place!!!", take a deep breath, pause, and ask this person when they are calm; would they like to trade places with my friends or me? Pilot7576, Should our paths ever cross, I'll buy you a cup of coffee or adult beverage which ever the situation calls for. Our opinions are pretty much the same, just different life situations, that neither had any control of to begin with. Have a great flight, see ya around the campfire, L.

Originally Posted by 727574drvr

I am sorry my logic seems asinine. I hope you never have to experience the real world. You know, furlough, strike, bankruptcy, merger where you lose your seat, then your base, then your job. Or my personal favorite, instead of a merger, the competition buys your company and shuts it down. Southwest has done that in the past along with others. I don't think UPS has done that, but its a very volatile financial world out there.

Originally Posted by dogismycopilot

Didn't UPS "acquire" Emory? How many of those guys made it on with UPS?

Originally Posted by 727574drvr

I am sorry my logic seems asinine. I hope you never have to experience the real world. You know, furlough, strike, bankruptcy, merger where you lose your seat, then your base, then your job. Or my personal favorite, instead of a merger, the competition buys your company and shuts it down. Southwest has done that in the past along with others. I don't think UPS has done that, but its a very volatile financial world out there.

Originally Posted by CactusCrew

Done most of that ... furloughs, ch 11 bankruptcy, mergers... and I still would not want a management job at Brown. And they ask me every January .... hmmm, as long as you can rationalize it with yourself, go for it. Although you may have too much experience.


UPS did the same things to Challenge that you mention ... I think you better do more research about life at Brown.