Originally Posted by dfwdavi8r

"Chest pounding" about safety records is like taking personal credit for the winning the loto or the sun rising. Call it luck, fate or whatever you want, UPS has been fortunate thats all. We haven't 'Broken the Code" with anything to do with safety. Do you think that the boys at FDX are any less concerned about safety? I know they aren't. They don't do anything different than we do. Who knows? Maybe they do more. We have just had close calls instead of class ones.

The vast majority of aviation accidents happen to "very" experienced aircrew. Complacency kills, that is one of the few "truisms" in aviation. Your premise that our single pay scale contributes to an overall better safety record could actually be argued the other way. Too long of tooth on any particular equipment might breed a sense of security, over familiarity and eventually complacency.

Hopefully when someone reaches this point in their aviation career (UPS, FDX, ect..) a jet is just another a jet. Boeing, MD, AirBus, it doesn't matter. We all have our preferences. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. Skill, training, attitude and operational considerations are what we have under our control. We all come from the same cross section of backgrounds, we are all trained the same way, we all operate in the same challenging environment. So what is the difference? Luck? Fate? Karma? Devinne Intervention?

Whatever it is, I hope it keeps going for all of our sakes. But usually about the time people start taking credit for "outstanding safety records" it turns the other way. Just ask the boys at AA about that.

Originally Posted by flappy

Ok. I ve flown with you. YOU are the UNSTABLE approach

Originally Posted by Freightpuppy

Whatever....blah blah blah

I think everyone should know that I did a search for all your posts and 99% of them are ignorant responses to something I write. You have serious issues my friend. I am sorry that you cannot get hired with a good airline. I feel sorry for you.

Originally Posted by flappy

"I think everyone SHOULD know" . This time of the month uh...

And no thanks, I work from home.

Originally Posted by Freightpuppy

Well, since I have flown with you, I know YOU can't fly your way out of a paper bag.

Finally get fired?

Originally Posted by WhaleGuppy

Interviewed in late Oct. Just got the rejection letter. Sim went well and I thought the interview did also (I'm sure I didn't "wow" them, but I'm not an a$$ either). Maybe next time I'll do a formal prep. I'm pretty sure my qualifications and experience are what they are looking for:


Loaded trucks for UPS in high school (good employment record as far as I know)
Current 747-400 Freighter F/O
Worldwide operating experience
4 yr degree
Multiple type ratings
No failed checkrides
No accidents, incidents, etc.
No criminal record or driving record
7500 TT
2500 Turbine PIC

Does it usually take 4 weeks to get rejected? Is it possible that something came up they didn't like in a background check? Do they even do a background check prior to notification? Or maybe I just screwed up the best opportunity to have the career I've always dreamed of. I'll probably never know.