Wildmanny

Huck:

You suggest that the aggrieved party head to ProStan. Done. Jumpseat chairman too. Probably all the way to the MEC Chair by now as well. When that Captain lands in Anchorage tomorrow (Saturday) and heads to his jumpseat to his home in the desert, I bet his voicemail will be full of messages. Someone suggested that said Captain whose initials are well known on this thread, should cough up $1100.00. That statement is WAY more than accurate. Trust me dude, this thing is taking on a life of its own and I'm going to predict that it will head to some sort of mediated debrief and an FCIF before the next week is out. Everyone knows about this and hopefully it will be sorted out. The only thing that will fix this kind of ridiculously stupid behavior will be for peer pressure to hammer these guys.

WM

FLMD11CAPT

I don't see anything here 'cept a little airframe bias/pride Huck...........which has no place here or any where else........****?

Airhoss

Huck,

Scab type behavior is when a guy screws another pilot over for petty selfish reasons. The same type of folks and the type of behavior that will cross the line for personal gain at the cost to others. Unfortunately I have to fly scabs all the time at my current seat/fleet/seniority. So yeah Huck, I'm quit familiar with what a scab is and how they act.

And like I mentioned earlier that captain owes the denied jumpseater $1100.00 and an apology. We can all have a bad day. It's how we recover that matters.

990Convair

I can also specifically remember a certain CLT USAir CPT that had 7 in the cockpit on XMAS Eve.

I'm not on the triple, but you all are welcome on my jumpseat anywhere, as long as there are seats. I've commuted 24 years and still to this day appreciate a free ride to work, returning the privilege is part of the profession. I would NEVER leave a pilot behind, especially one of our own. As mentioned earlier, I just brief that my crew gets dibs on when and where they park it for their break. I think we should start calling the 777 the "Tool Box"

livindadream

Mark,

Not sure if this was just a miscommunication, but ProStan is definitely relevant here. Whenever a crewmember acts in an unprofessional way, especially towards another crewmember, ProStan should know about it. It's just one more way to highlight those among us that don't know how to act.

ProStan should be our way to police our own.

FrankTheTank

Concur! And that was my opinion on the matter but the more I think about it, does it really matter?

Wonder how they/we police the Non-Member problem children though? Like Airbus Capt Ken B??? And apparently quite a few 777 Captains?

Just thinking out loud... Just wondering if like Politics we are just going thru the motions while nothing actually changes but you get that warm and fuzzy?

Hope and Change???

finedavefine

So I'm just wondering what, if anything, can Professional Standards "do?" After all, regardless of the fact that one of our own was denied a seat, either to work or to home, did the Captain actually do something that was forbidden, either by the AOM, FOM, FAR's, etc? If he didn't, what should the penalty be, and how does PRO-Stan go about enforcing said penalty? Peer pressure might or might not work. Beyond that, what's left, especially if the offending guy never avails him/herself of a jumpseat?

MEMFO4Ever

ProStan is toothless. It relies on some perceived expectation of behaviour because a group happens to work at the same job, wear the same uniform, and pay the same tax. Ultimately the guy can tell ProStan to kiss off and there will be no official job consequences. The most effective method to deal with situations like these are 'back channel' interventions, as some have already mentioned.

Right or wrong, the captain's decision was pretty weak. I can see making a decision that would make things more difficult for the company, but another pilot just does not compute.

The Walrus

Just curious, did anyone participate in the union conference call yesterday? They were supposed to discuss the 777 jumpseat situation.

HerkDriver

I did. Nothing of substance came out of the P2P meeting yesterday. I explained the recent events and was given this answer:

The union leadership is not willing to push this issue in the least bit, because they believe that if we "encourage" our captains to be more open on their personal jumseat policies this will open the door for the company and the FAA to further infringe on PIC authority. (Kind of like how we deal with vacation every time we have contract negotiations...we don't even discuss it, because we don't want the company to even think about messing with it). "The Union" is basically recommending that crewmembers who face this situation see Pro Standards. End of story. No further discussion. That, in their words, is how they are going to stand up for jumpseaters.

It will be interesting to see if they stick to this policy the first time a Captain gets denied a jumpseat for a similiar situation and goes kicking and screaming to his ACP...