View Poll Results: FedEx Pilots: How did you vote on the new TA?
I voted YES
159
85.03%
I voted NO
11
5.88%
I will not vote
2
1.07%
I can't vote (non-member)
15
8.02%
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FedEx TA Voting Poll
10-03-2006, 04:52 PM
#91
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: MD11 F/O
Posts: 653
It's not all about money
Originally Posted by Coffee *****
OK, MY 6% B fund that increases a whopping 1 % over a year from now (i.e. 42 months After the amendable date). You got me on that one. I do know how to bid vacation....expand reserve days, seek out n backs, hub turns, blah blah blah, you got me on that one also, there is a work around requiring me compensating for the problem, trust me, our vacation system is the best, just pointing out a fact. Nice try at the slam, NO I would not ***** about paying taxes. OK, I think I covered your replies. NOW grow a set of brain cells and debate the other FACTS. Best case, and we both know it will not happen, this contact will cover from May 04 until Nov 10 (6.5 years). Most likely it will be two years plus again before the next contract is settled because the draft, vacation selling, open time pick up'n, SCABS-in-waiting will once again fail to see the obvious. So, lets hear your reply to the less than inflationary 18% pay increase over best case 6.5 years or any of the other points brought out. You must be an international guy (25% of the senior FedEx pilots) who make out on this contract. Standard ALPA contract screw the JR. guys. I would take a bet that you also approve of the 757 being paid the same as the aircraft that operates with 33% more pilots, carries 40% less payload (727 12 cans, 757 18.5 cans with 3.5 cans underneath), and grosses out 37% heavier than the 727. Once again , the JR guys bear the brunt so the SR guys can make more, ALPA standard. You should be proud that you are the only airline in history to pay the 757 and 727 the same, you should be proud indeed. And yes I voted no, thats my right. I contribute more to FedEx than a cost of living raise. Thats my opinion, you obviously think less of yourself.
10-03-2006, 05:31 PM
#92
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: MD-11
Posts: 281
COFFEE *****, Your blowing it for the rest of your buds that are trying to get here after that abortion you call United hit rock bottom. If your so fuc&ing smart, why the hell did you stay in the biz? I love to hear you *****. Go sell real estate or used cars and make the big money. Better yet go back to United, I'm sure they miss you ,dumbsh!t!!
PS don't come to the bus or all you will be doing for me is jerking gear and pouring coffee.
PS don't come to the bus or all you will be doing for me is jerking gear and pouring coffee.
10-03-2006, 05:37 PM
#93
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 42
Originally Posted by USNFDX
You cant have it both ways Biatch. You probably voted against United's contract 2000. You are incredibly lucky to have landed on your feet at Fedex. There are few who have legitimate gripes....you're way to new open your pie hole.
10-03-2006, 06:02 PM
#94
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Posts: 94
I assume you intended to type "you're way to new TO open your pie hole". 10+ years at ALPA and this TA is my 6th ALPA contract, how bout you? I will quote my original TA posting, read close "I am glad to be at FedEx, we have the best contract (after industry sodimization)". Just because my pension went from $100K per year to $900 per month (PBGC), my pay got cut 60%, I left with alot of seniority and now have none, and my work rules no longer existed does not disqualify me from having an EDUCATED OPINION at my new place of employment. I am very lucky, very lucky to be at FedEx. Could you or would you have walked away from an Airbus Captain slot at a major airline to start over flying freight??? That should speak volumes of how bad I had it, and how desperate I was to leave. I will say it again, FedEx is the best place to be. Why? We are making Record Profits, and I hope it continues. I just think we need better insurance benefits, a lump sum A fund for our protection, and more in the B Fund (also for our protection). Hopefully the BCBS option will come through and I can finally use our insurance. 18% pay raise over 6.5 years is just what it is, 2.77% per year. If I was an MD-11 Capt with the TA'd changes for international flying, it might make a difference. So for those 1500 or so International Wide Body pilots you may see a significant change. But for the other 3,000 of us, it is what it is........2.77%. I will say it again, to make it perfectly clear, I am glad, proud, and extremely lucky to have been given the opportunity to leave a sinking ship and board the Space Shuttle. I gave up 10 years of seniority at age 47 to start over, could you have done that? I have experienced things I hope you (i.e. "WE") never go through. The Union asked for little, and for most of us, we got little. Once again, at a time when profits are at a maximum. $.30 per diluted share....YGTBSM
10-03-2006, 06:21 PM
#95
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Posts: 94
Mr. fly2ski
Discount the facts I have presented. Convince me. But dont insult the rest of us FedEx pilots by showing the world your irrational and insulting replies. If I do go to the bus, I will be glad to "jerk gear" and "Pour coffee", even for you. Why, because I signed up to be a team player and thats exactly what I am. But I will not sit idly as ALPA BF's the JR guys just like elsewhere. Just because I dont agree with you on the contract does not give me the right to berate you??? That would not be productive and in direct conflict with the website ROE. Discredit my rationale? Shoot holes in my views. And most of all tell my why a cost of living 2.77% pay raise is OK for a company who is and has been making record profits and is expected to double in the next 20 years? Do you really think anything more would break the company? Do you really think you only deserve a cost of living raise? I have heard it said that this contract is worth $900M. Thats $138M per year increase (6.5 years remember) or in Wall Street Journal Terms....."One thirty-sixth net earnings, insignificant, truly a victory for FedEx." And once again I will say it to you......"I am glad, proud, and extremely lucky to have been given the opportunity to leave a sinking ship and board the Space Shuttle".
Discount the facts I have presented. Convince me. But dont insult the rest of us FedEx pilots by showing the world your irrational and insulting replies. If I do go to the bus, I will be glad to "jerk gear" and "Pour coffee", even for you. Why, because I signed up to be a team player and thats exactly what I am. But I will not sit idly as ALPA BF's the JR guys just like elsewhere. Just because I dont agree with you on the contract does not give me the right to berate you??? That would not be productive and in direct conflict with the website ROE. Discredit my rationale? Shoot holes in my views. And most of all tell my why a cost of living 2.77% pay raise is OK for a company who is and has been making record profits and is expected to double in the next 20 years? Do you really think anything more would break the company? Do you really think you only deserve a cost of living raise? I have heard it said that this contract is worth $900M. Thats $138M per year increase (6.5 years remember) or in Wall Street Journal Terms....."One thirty-sixth net earnings, insignificant, truly a victory for FedEx." And once again I will say it to you......"I am glad, proud, and extremely lucky to have been given the opportunity to leave a sinking ship and board the Space Shuttle".
10-03-2006, 06:55 PM
#96
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: MD10 FO
Posts: 307
Biatch,
This TA does not meet everybody's individual needs. No TA ever will. It represents progress.
It does not matter how much Fred or anyone else got paid! It doesn't matter how much Fred will dish out for this years super bowl add. It doesn't matter that they could afford to pay us more.
You get what you can negotiate relative to the conditions of the company, the marketplace and your resolve.
Just because the company can afford to pay you 300K a year, does that make it right. What is your value. How easily can you be replaced.
Should they pay janitors 100K yr just because they can afford to?
Should they pay twice the going rate for jet A because they can?
Did we get everything we asked for?....No, but we got a good deal of it. Could we have gotten more? Probably..maybe...but at what cost?
At this point it really doesn't matter. This TA represents significant progress and very much address our cornerstone issues. It is going to pass.
You are certainly entitled to your opinions and to vote anyway you please. (If you are eligible)
I couldn't care how long you have had you ALPA pin, or how many contracts you have had. It doesn't matter. You are new here at Fedex and your inflammatory remarks take aim at the negotiating committee and the MEC. I take offense to that, particularly from someone who is new to this pilot group.
This TA does not meet everybody's individual needs. No TA ever will. It represents progress.
It does not matter how much Fred or anyone else got paid! It doesn't matter how much Fred will dish out for this years super bowl add. It doesn't matter that they could afford to pay us more.
You get what you can negotiate relative to the conditions of the company, the marketplace and your resolve.
Just because the company can afford to pay you 300K a year, does that make it right. What is your value. How easily can you be replaced.
Should they pay janitors 100K yr just because they can afford to?
Should they pay twice the going rate for jet A because they can?
Did we get everything we asked for?....No, but we got a good deal of it. Could we have gotten more? Probably..maybe...but at what cost?
At this point it really doesn't matter. This TA represents significant progress and very much address our cornerstone issues. It is going to pass.
You are certainly entitled to your opinions and to vote anyway you please. (If you are eligible)
I couldn't care how long you have had you ALPA pin, or how many contracts you have had. It doesn't matter. You are new here at Fedex and your inflammatory remarks take aim at the negotiating committee and the MEC. I take offense to that, particularly from someone who is new to this pilot group.
10-03-2006, 07:49 PM
#98
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: 767 CA
Posts: 1,876
Originally Posted by Coffee *****
). Most likely it will be two years plus again before the next contract is settled because the draft, vacation selling, open time pick up'n, SCABS-in-waiting will once again fail to see the obvious. .
10-03-2006, 07:51 PM
#99
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: 767 CA
Posts: 1,876
Originally Posted by Coffee *****
You should be proud that you are the only airline in history to pay the 757 and 727 the same, you should be proud indeed.
10-03-2006, 09:02 PM
#100
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Posts: 94
UPS paying the same for 757/727
Yes, they have Capt, FO and SO. Tell an MD-11 Capt or an Airbus Capt at Fedex that we will all be paid the same based on seat only, expected response? I honestly do not know. I do not think the UPS non-differentiation is the norm for a major air carrier (Gross Rev over $5B).
USNFDX: Please elaborate on my inflammatory remarks, my apologies if true. No apologies for the SCAB want-a-bees who prevented the members from using our strongest bargaining tool as YOU suggested. I am one of 4700+ FedEx members, I am stating my views right wrong or indifferent....they are just my views. I have never wrote or asked for 300K per year, what I do is not worth it. I have never heard nor suggested that janitors make $100K, nice try. Most do recieve a cost of living raise each year, and I cannot remember a year with a 2.77% inflation rate, but please correct me. You mention "This TA represents significant progress". Educate me, show me where the Significant Progress lies, and place a $$$ value on it, honestly, educate me. Thats all its about when negotiating, the bottom amount. If you ask for 20 CH per day....the company would be glad to give it to you at a greatly reduced hourly pay rate......THE BOTTOM DOLLAR. So, please educate me. Tell me where the significant progress is, the corresponding $$$ amount, and the number of pilots affected. Non-quantifiable quotes on your part carry no meat, you would make an interesting Negotiator. But most importantly tell me how quickly WE can be replaced??? Look at the May 3, 2006 bid. The company cannot even train that little amount in 16 months. But you (and others) profess we will all be replaced instantly and never incur the $70M/day lost revenue the Union stated this year. We can be replaced because the company knows that 30%+ of our fragile pilot group would SCAB instantly, with an additional 20% following within two weeks. That is evident by the amount of disregard for ALPA's request not to pick up draft/overtime or sell back vacation some two years into negotiations. I do agree that no TA will satisfy 100% of the members needs, to think differently is like suggesting janitors make 100K.
What I expected was a pay raise greater than the inflation rate, Retro-pay (not the 55% signing bonus), a B-fund in double digits vice single, some kind of lump sum option to the A-fund (if the company funds the A fund close to 100%, there is no additional cost to the company for a lump sum), a reserve system that does not promote "we have a secret", SCOPE, keep the vacation system, and a medical plan I can afford to use since I (like alot of pilots) do not live in Memphis.
We kept the vacation system, the SCOPE chapter looks good to me, and the reserve system improvements are very promising if the company really abides. Like I mentioned in the earlier post, BCBS insurance is alwo promising....we will have to wait and see. I feel the other items we did not achieve. Those are my expectations. I feel most people I have talked to have expressed the same view. But they are beat down after 2.5+ years of dragging feet. "Not another day without Retro-Pay", how many stickers have you seen.....I guess they should have really said "not another day without 55% retro pay and no guaranteed pay increase associated with the Nov 2010 amendable date". Thats what we got.
It failed to meet my expectations and my criteria is clearly stated. The no vote does not mean I am an idiot, that I want to return to my previous life, that I deserve $300K per year, that I do not support the MEC, that I plan on quitting, or would rather be somewhere else. It failed to meet my expectations given the companies financial status in which we play a key role. I would be remiss in voting yes, against my quantifiable criteria just to go with the flow or stroke some groups ego. This TA will pass, I predict not less than 75% approval. So now educate me, actually answer some questions and make me feel good about the TA.
USNFDX: Please elaborate on my inflammatory remarks, my apologies if true. No apologies for the SCAB want-a-bees who prevented the members from using our strongest bargaining tool as YOU suggested. I am one of 4700+ FedEx members, I am stating my views right wrong or indifferent....they are just my views. I have never wrote or asked for 300K per year, what I do is not worth it. I have never heard nor suggested that janitors make $100K, nice try. Most do recieve a cost of living raise each year, and I cannot remember a year with a 2.77% inflation rate, but please correct me. You mention "This TA represents significant progress". Educate me, show me where the Significant Progress lies, and place a $$$ value on it, honestly, educate me. Thats all its about when negotiating, the bottom amount. If you ask for 20 CH per day....the company would be glad to give it to you at a greatly reduced hourly pay rate......THE BOTTOM DOLLAR. So, please educate me. Tell me where the significant progress is, the corresponding $$$ amount, and the number of pilots affected. Non-quantifiable quotes on your part carry no meat, you would make an interesting Negotiator. But most importantly tell me how quickly WE can be replaced??? Look at the May 3, 2006 bid. The company cannot even train that little amount in 16 months. But you (and others) profess we will all be replaced instantly and never incur the $70M/day lost revenue the Union stated this year. We can be replaced because the company knows that 30%+ of our fragile pilot group would SCAB instantly, with an additional 20% following within two weeks. That is evident by the amount of disregard for ALPA's request not to pick up draft/overtime or sell back vacation some two years into negotiations. I do agree that no TA will satisfy 100% of the members needs, to think differently is like suggesting janitors make 100K.
What I expected was a pay raise greater than the inflation rate, Retro-pay (not the 55% signing bonus), a B-fund in double digits vice single, some kind of lump sum option to the A-fund (if the company funds the A fund close to 100%, there is no additional cost to the company for a lump sum), a reserve system that does not promote "we have a secret", SCOPE, keep the vacation system, and a medical plan I can afford to use since I (like alot of pilots) do not live in Memphis.
We kept the vacation system, the SCOPE chapter looks good to me, and the reserve system improvements are very promising if the company really abides. Like I mentioned in the earlier post, BCBS insurance is alwo promising....we will have to wait and see. I feel the other items we did not achieve. Those are my expectations. I feel most people I have talked to have expressed the same view. But they are beat down after 2.5+ years of dragging feet. "Not another day without Retro-Pay", how many stickers have you seen.....I guess they should have really said "not another day without 55% retro pay and no guaranteed pay increase associated with the Nov 2010 amendable date". Thats what we got.
It failed to meet my expectations and my criteria is clearly stated. The no vote does not mean I am an idiot, that I want to return to my previous life, that I deserve $300K per year, that I do not support the MEC, that I plan on quitting, or would rather be somewhere else. It failed to meet my expectations given the companies financial status in which we play a key role. I would be remiss in voting yes, against my quantifiable criteria just to go with the flow or stroke some groups ego. This TA will pass, I predict not less than 75% approval. So now educate me, actually answer some questions and make me feel good about the TA.
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